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Offline apostle5

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Feeling confused and overwhelmed
« on: February 27, 2008, 02:09:26 PM »
Hey all  :) I am new to this site and very new to trying to learn about chords and playing by ear. Over 20 years ago I use to play by reading notes and since I havent played in over 20 years (just recently picked it back up) I have forgot alot that I learned back then and I am currently refamilarizing myself with all the chords.  By reading the notes, I dont remember ever really learning them, I just saw them on a sheet of music and played them. I have  a problem with playing by notes because other people that play instruments (guitar, etc) never can seem to pick up by ear what I do by notes.  That has made me want to re-learn things all over and try doing it by ear. I am confused and need an explannation on what "key signature," "perfect pitch," "tonic chord," and "relative pitch" are.  I never knew there were so many ways. ?/?

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Re: Feeling confused and overwhelmed
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 02:14:41 PM »
Welcome to the site.

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Re: Feeling confused and overwhelmed
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2008, 04:48:59 PM »
Hey all  :) I am new to this site and very new to trying to learn about chords and playing by ear. Over 20 years ago I use to play by reading notes and since I havent played in over 20 years (just recently picked it back up) I have forgot alot that I learned back then and I am currently refamilarizing myself with all the chords.  By reading the notes, I dont remember ever really learning them, I just saw them on a sheet of music and played them. I have  a problem with playing by notes because other people that play instruments (guitar, etc) never can seem to pick up by ear what I do by notes.  That has made me want to re-learn things all over and try doing it by ear. I am confused and need an explannation on what "key signature," "perfect pitch," "tonic chord," and "relative pitch" are.  I never knew there were so many ways. ?/?

First of all, "Greetings and welcome to LGM, apostle5!"

I'll try and answer your question to the best of my ability...

"Key Signature" -  By knowing the key signature, I can determine what key the song is in.  For example,
                       when I see 2 sharps (#), I know the song is in the key of "D"; or if there are 5 flats (b) in
                       the key signature, then the song is in "Db".

"Perfect Pitch" -  This is the ability to hear any note, and know what note it is.  If I had perfect
                       pitch, you could play any note on the piano, and I would be able to tell you
                      what note it is, just by hearing it.  This is a valuable skill to have because it allows you to
                      hear the notes being played or sung, and to follow the music.

"Tonic Chord" -  This is the number 1 chord of the key that is being played.  By following the chord
                      progression, you hear the tonic chord (1 chord), and the key that the song is in, is
                      reflected by that chord.  For example, a progression may go like this:
                      6-3-2-5-1 or Bbm- Fm- Ebm7- Ab7- Db.  The tonic or 1 chord is
                      "Db", therefore the key of the song is "Db".

"Relative Pitch" -  Relative pitch is similar to "perfect pitch" in that you can hear the note that's being
                         played without seeing it.  The BIG difference is that, with relative pitch, you first have
                        to be given the name of one note or chord, and from there are able to determine the
                        interval of another note being played, without seeing it. For example, if you were to hit a
                        "D" note on the piano, and tell a person with "relative pitch" that it's a "D" note, then he
                        or she could then call out the other notes you hit without seeing it.

Once again, this is the best understanding I have of these methods.  T-Block and others have a wealth of knowledge that they share and have posted a ton of helpful information.  I encourage you to check it out.
                                           God bless you, BroAllan  :)

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Re: Feeling confused and overwhelmed
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2008, 09:41:28 PM »
Thanks for all your kind help BroAllan  ;D  I got a lot of studying and work to do!

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Re: Feeling confused and overwhelmed
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2008, 11:49:39 AM »
Welcome to LGM apostle5 :)

Your training of over 2 decades will come in handy as you get back into gear.
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Re: Feeling confused and overwhelmed
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2008, 03:03:14 PM »
Be patient with yourself.  Don't think that you have to learn it all in a week or a month.  And do not compare your learning rate with that of anyone else (particularly children -- they learn way differently from the way adults do.)

Also, don't try to make up for "lost time."  Start a fresh today with what you can do today, not worrying about what you could or couldn't do 20 years ago.

Set yourself some realistic goals.  For example, instead of thinking "I need to learn all of the major scales this week", learn a scale a week -- in about 12 weeks you'll have them.  That's better than getting frustrated and not learning them in a year.  Listen to as much music as possible -- concentrated listening sometimes.  Listen to see if you hear similarities between different songs.  When you consider that we use only 12 notes and actually a limited amount of chords as our musical vocabulary, something has to happen more than once in the vast amount of music out there.  Listen for melody patterns or harmony patterns or rhythm patterns.

Go to the library and get some recordings of basic children's or folk songs.  This music usually uses an even more limited musical vocabulary.  Choose a song and work on finding the melody at your instrument.  Again take it slowly.  At first it may take a while just to find the first note -- that's fine, celebrate that you "found the lost coin."  Listen where that melody goes up and where it goes down.  Make a "map" of the shape of the melody and play that -- at first follow the shape whether or not you have the exact right notes or not.

Clap the rhythm and even write it -- these songs will generally use quarter and eighth notes with the longer notes like half and whole notes at the end of a phrase.

And keep coming to LGM.  There are a lot of people willing to help you help yourself.

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2008, 04:35:52 PM »
very sound advice rspindy..

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Re: Feeling confused and overwhelmed
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2008, 02:34:46 PM »
  " Be patient with yourself.  Don't think that you have to learn it all in a week or a month. " Oh Thank you so much for the sound advice "rspindy"

I was really down and getting stressed today while trying to learn a chorded song and getting frustrated about "fill in" etc. I know you are right with all your advice. Sometimes I try to get in the fast lane too much! Sometimes I need reminding that you have to crawl before you walk and Rome wasn't built in a day.I need to pray for more patience  ;D

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Re: Feeling confused and overwhelmed
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2008, 03:12:20 AM »
Welcome to the LGM family "apostle5", God bless you!! We are here for you, just let us know what we can do to help you on your way. You played for 20 years...WOW!!!!!!! I believe that God is going to bring everything to your rememberance because that is a lot of experience.



Also rspindy your advice was very very helpful for me as well. God bless you and keep on doing what you're doing.

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Re: Feeling confused and overwhelmed
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2008, 12:36:25 PM »
Welcome to the LGM family "apostle5", God bless you!! We are here for you, just let us know what we can do to help you on your way. You played for 20 years...WOW!!!!!!! I believe that God is going to bring everything to your rememberance because that is a lot of experience.



Let me re-phrase myself (some misunderstood me) When I was a kid I took piano lessons for over 5 years and was pretty good, I was one of the highest up in the class (not boasting or anything) and then I layed the piano down for 20 years, and just picked it back up around 3 years ago. All this was done by sheet music though, NOW I am wanting to change and do it by chords and by ear so others in church can play with me.

And thank you chevonne for your kind words. I do believe God is going to do something with me on the music behalf, because when I picked it back up after leaving it for 20 years, I could not even READ A NOTE on the paper! I almost cried and thought what a waste and it was all my fault! It was a shame to know how i use to could play and now cant even read a note. I sat at the piano and day by day fiddled with it and songs started coming back to me. I was playing songs I use to could play but still couldnt read a NOTE off the page! It really freaked me out, (my fingers just knew where to go) but the more I played the more came back to me then I finally brushed up on reading the music again and got back into that. But now I want to do it all differently because reading music is just it. What I mean is if you dont have a sheet in front of you, YOU CANT PLAY A THING! And I will take you up on that offer chevonne about asking for help. God Bless you!
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