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Re: Lost Chord?
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2012, 11:53:58 AM »
Yeah. I've seen E5, C5, etc. But people might confuse that with the other kind of 5. They should just make up a new abbreviation: POW!
I mean, this is 2012; no reason to keep the musical vocabulary stagnant just because some old guys hundreds of years ago forgot about non-third-having chords.

I would go with 'P5' or 'P4' (for Perfect 4th or 5th) instead of 'POW' - less letters to type...

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Re: Lost Chord?
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2012, 12:57:13 PM »
For those who know theory, If I played the chord in question and asked you to name it and I played no preceeding chord and none after, what name would you give to the chord?                (B-F-A/E-A-C#)   Would you call it a chord at all?  Would you make assumptions  and call it a chord?  If you made assumptions, what would be your basis for those assumptions.

I would still call it a Bm11. Form what I've seen studying music theory, if the chord is supposed to be major (or dom), the 3rd has to be there. I've yet to come across an exception. Doesn't mean that it can't happen, i've just never seen it. Based on that, when the 3rd is missing, I usually default to the minor.


I would go with 'P5' or 'P4' (for Perfect 4th or 5th) instead of 'POW' - less letters to type...

But then it would be an interval name and not a chord name. With intervals you're ONLY playing 2 notes. With a chord, you've got both hands playing something, even if the chord happens to consist of 2 notes. Semantics maybe, lol.
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Re: Lost Chord?
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2012, 01:11:10 PM »
You know I heard that there was a secret chord
that David played and it pleased the Lord.

It goes like this: the 4ths the 5ths
The minor falls and the major lifts...
Blah blah and so on

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Re: Lost Chord?
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2012, 02:40:52 PM »
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Re: Lost Chord?
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2012, 10:52:54 PM »
For those who know theory, If I played the chord in question and asked you to name it and I played no preceeding chord and none after, what name would you give to the chord?                (B-F-A/E-A-C#)   Would you call it a chord at all?  Would you make assumptions  and call it a chord?  If you made assumptions, what would be your basis for those assumptions.

To answer your question, I'm going to approach it from a  "does it sound good perspective." 11th chords typically do not sound good with a major 3rd and a major 11th/4th present (i.e. dom11 Maj11) unless you are really going for some type of "clashing sound."  As a matter of fact,  take a look at a few various 13th chords and you will probably find a root, 3rd, 7th, 9th, alt 5 present, but not an 11th.

When dealing with dominant and major 11th chords, two things usually happen.  (a) the 11th is sharpened,  or (b) the major third is omitted. Its difficult to properly name a chord without context. But if I had to communicate this chord to another person, I would have to go with V711b5 omit the 3rd.

 This to me hits all the important chord qualities. root, no third, b5, dom7, 11. Theoretically, it could be wrong. But  I think your intended receiver will accurately process the info.

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Re: Lost Chord?
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2012, 11:31:29 PM »
You betta preach up in here Mr. Jones, lol. Good stuff man!
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