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Offline Jay Seward

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I have questions for the advance musicans
« on: January 30, 2010, 02:49:42 PM »
Hello Everyone,
                          I have some questions for the advance musicans. I'm trying to get an understanding on some things. And I need HELP BAD!! So I pray that somebody can help me out, because I really want to learn.
1.) I know all my scales (major,minor,harmonic,melodic,pentatonic,blues,dorian,lydion, and mixolydian),but how can I put it to use?
2.) I have a problem learning songs, I hear the basslines, but can't get the right hand chords. I hear people say, "get the bassline then in your right hand get the melody." I got that so, how do I get the chords from the melody?
3.) How can I make basic chords sound nice and sometimes phat and jazzy?
4.) How do I come up with talk music?
5.) How can I change up progression chords, because I use basic progression chords.
6.)I play the organ alot and I'm still trying to learn. How can I chord with my left hand? I understand tritone and ditones, but sometimes it don't work on the organ, when I play the organ I trying to make it sound full. So, what can I do to chord with my left hand?
Somebody Please Help ME. Send some feedback ASAP!!

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Re: I have questions for the advance musicans
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 06:52:33 PM »
Hello, I usually have one question....can you play the melody line to any song in your right hand. It's a good thing to know all the scales and chords and progressions but do you have a command of a melody line. I've been teching this concept for 11 years now and I always challenge the musician who "knows" all the tools to playing if they can play the basic melody line. I never understood how you can learn a song by learning the bassline first? Musically this makes no sense to me since the bassline dosen't follow the path of the melody line, unless I missed soemthing. Not to discourage you but you don't learn to speak in sentences until you learn first the alpahbet(scales), the phonetics (chords), how to put together a sentence (melody/chord) and a phrase(bass/chord and melody). I used this concept for over 37 years and there's no song I can't learn to play in uder 30 min. If you haven't visited my site yet please come to www.Samsmuzikco.com and look over what I have.

Here are soe youtube examples of how I learn and teach others to play.

Video Lesson " God Is My Everything" in Eb


Video Lesson " Anointing Fall on Me" in C


Here is a lesson on " Sold Out" using the chord/choir voicing concept. I started with the bass to show a point of what drives the song not as a replacement of learning the song.
Sam's Gospel Music Workshop " Souled Out"


If you have any questions feel free to ask we're all hear to help.


I love music, any kind of music.

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Re: I have questions for the advance musicans
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 09:20:00 PM »
I think the bass line is key - but as Sam said knowing the melody is good too. That being said, the bass note is often the root of the harmony, and you can usually figure out the other notes of the chord by going up every other step on the scale (1-3-5, etc.) If you know the bass notes and the melody you can 'fake' your way through just about any song.

Three-note chords (triads) are the simplest chords. 6ths and 7ths are used in Classic Blues/Gospel. To get a more Contemporary sound in your playing you need to add notes to a Major or minor chord to get into extended Jazz harmony - different kinds of 9ths, 11ths, 6/9ths, 13ths, altered dim and aug chords, etc. Talk music seems to use a lot of these kinds of progressions without melody, as well as tritone voicings, so don't give up on these...

Trad. Gospel has some key progressions that are commonly used in songs - see T-Block's posts here for some tips...

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Re: I have questions for the advance musicans
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2010, 09:18:15 PM »
i agree wit sam to.
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Re: I have questions for the advance musicans
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2010, 02:37:14 PM »
i agree wit sam to.

Yeah, I'm a melody person, First I learn the melody then that tells me hat chords to play under it, then from the chord i determine the bass note...thats the easiest way, as I'm just now being able to play proper baselines without too much thinking.

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Re: I have questions for the advance musicans
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2010, 03:27:49 PM »
I use both bass and melody methods to learn songs. However, melody is not my first option unless im following a soloist and the melody is the only information readily available to learn a song on the spot. I also have used melody in addition to other pitches of a chord to determine the chord quality. Other than that, Im a root/bass guy when it comes to learning a song. I've had a guy literally hold up his fingers on stage to signal the progressions of a song to the band .In the end, there's lots of methods to learn songs and the best method is the one that works for you!

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Re: I have questions for the advance musicans
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2010, 11:51:51 PM »
Hi Jay,

I know how you feel, its a frustration, to have all the tools but not be able to use them.  I would like to share to you an exercise that helped me.

As the same as all the previous post, the skill of playing the melody line and bass line is essential for you to decide which notes should  be inserted within (which in turn completes the chord).

As the same as your question: Which chords should be used? 

The good news is you already know how to solve half of the problem :) since you are able to play the melody and the base line.  The 'Base and Melody' pair that you play already determined the chord that you should/can play.  You will appreciate and understand this more once you are able to 'spell-out' the notes of a chord in your head.

One effective way to learn the chords is to systematically introduce to your fingers and ears  the notes that should be inserted within a baseline and the melody line that will complete the chord. The exercise below is very tedious, and very long, but rewarding so please bare with my explanation.

I Memorize this sequence of notes (just movements in fourths).
  • A - D - G - C - F - Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - Gb(or F#) - B - E 

II. In every melody line/note  you are able to pair it with any of the 12 notes/tones as the base line
  • Let us start with with your right hand playing an A note (which act as our 'melody' note
  • with your pedal or left hand base,  use the sequence above ( I. movement in fourths) as the 'base' note
  • LH or pedal/RH (see pattern below)
  • A / A
  • D / A
  • G / A
  • C / A
  • F / A
  • Bb/A
  • Eb/A
  • Ab/A
  • Db/A
  • Gb/A
  • B /A
  • E /A

III Decide the chord based on the Base and Melody note
  • The base note will act as the 'root' of your chord
  • What is the relation ship of the melody note (or top note) with respect to the chord
  • A/A  =  since the base note is A, think of what A chord has the A note as melody
  • The answer is A major A minor (actually all of the possible A chords ), Now, insert the missing notes to complete the chord having the top note and base note as A (for major you insert C# and E in beween the bass note and melody note)
  • Next lets move to D as the Bass note and A 'still' as the melody note
  • If D is the base then think of what D chord has an 'A' note in it
  • The answer is D major and D minor (because you need A as the 5th note to complete the chord)
  • Play the D note in your base and your A note as the melody and insert the note needed to make a D major chord(F#) or D minor chord (Fm)
  • Now that you got the idea, below are the remaining 10 base notes with chords
  • G / A   play Gadd9 with G as base and A as melody
  • C / A   play C13 with C as base and A as melody
  • F / A   play F major with F as base and A as melody
  • Bb/A   play BbM7 with Bb as base and A as melody
  • Eb/A   play Eb dim with Eb as base and A (or Bbb) as melody
  • Ab/A   play Ab b9 with Ab as base and A (or Bbb) as melody
  • Db/A   play Db aug with Db as base and A as melody
  • Gb/A   play Gb min with Gb as base and A (or Bbb) as melody(
  • B /A    play B7 with B as base and A as melody
  • E /A    play E11 with E as base and A as melody
  • Please note that there are more chords possible in any of the 12 combination (such as the last example E/A, it can be also played as Eminor11)

IV Do this exercise with all 12 melody notes  (sequentially A,A#/Bb,B,C,ect    or in fourths  A, D , G , C)

The benefits of this exercise.
  • You have introduced to your ears and fingers atleast 12 new chords that can work a melody note
  • You will improve your 'thinking in fourths'
  • You have increased your patience (this excercise is long and tedious!)
  • You will improve your ability to spell out the chords you are using

I hope this will help you as it has helped me, God bless you on your efforts! And may His Name be glorified.
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