6/9 #11

[docjohn]

when using  a 6/9 #11,isn't this a poly chord? Essentially this could be(in C) a D chord over a C bass;so why not D/C  ? what uses for this chord? thanks!!!!!

[T-Block]

Actually, u would call that chord a D/C. And it's use is as a secondary dominant to a 5 chord. Something like this:

Key C LH/RH

C / G-C-E
C / A-D-F# *sec. dom. on the 2
B / B-D-G *resolution to the 5

This move is found in the song "I Love The Lord" by Whitney Houston off the Preacher's Wife soundtrack.

[docjohn]

thanks T!

[Dwreck]

So far as modes go this would be a C Lydian. The corresponding scale would be the "G" major scale with the C being the tonic. Modes are very interesting and helps us gain lots of insight into what we do as keyboard players.

[sjonathan02]

So far as modes go this would be a C Lydian. The corresponding scale would be the "G" major scale with the C being the tonic. Modes are very interesting and helps us gain lots of insight into what we do as keyboard players.

 

[Dwreck]

So far as modes go this would be a C Lydian. The corresponding scale would be the "G" major scale with the C being the tonic. Modes are very interesting and helps us gain lots of insight into what we do as keyboard players.

Excuse me...as musicians not just keyboard players.

[sjonathan02]

Excuse me...as musicians not just keyboard players.

That wasn't the confusing part. It was the whole 'modes' thing.


I don't have a handle on them at. all. 

[T-Block]

So far as modes go this would be a C Lydian. The corresponding scale would be the "G" major scale with the C being the tonic. Modes are very interesting and helps us gain lots of insight into what we do as keyboard players.

While all that is true, this situation here has nothing to do with modal playing at all.

[jonesl78]

That wasn't the confusing part. It was the whole 'modes' thing.


I don't have a handle on them at. all. 

1- Ionian
2- Dorian
3- Phrgian
4- Lydian
5- Mixolydian
6- Aeolian
7- Locrian

Example:
G mixolydian = Play C major scale  but start on G (Tonic)
Bb Dorian    = Play Ab major scale but start on Bb(Tonic)

The above chord is a C 6/9 #11. A C Lydian is simply a G major scale that starts on C that compliments this chord well, especially the #11 (F#). You would not want to play a regular C major scale (C Ionian) because it contains a F natural. This would clash with #11 unless you are purposely looking for this type of dissonance/de-harmonizatizing voicing.   

[Dwreck]

While all that is true, this situation here has nothing to do with modal playing at all.

All things are relevant in music. Once I started to understand that to be true I began unlocking many interesting ideas and approaches to those ideas. I hope this will encourage a stimulating dialogue with the intent on sharing knowledge with one another. I don't write to try and prove that I'm right or wrong, I just want to gain more knowledge is all. Let her rip! 

[Dwreck]

That wasn't the confusing part. It was the whole 'modes' thing.


I don't have a handle on them at. all. 

We know that the Ionian scale is whole, whole, half, whole, whole, whole, half (WWHWWWH). So piggybacking off of jonesl78, you have the C Ionian to begin with. Dealing with the modes I've discovered (though it may have always been known) that reversing the ionian mode would help me unlock the modal puzzle. For example, C Ionian (WWHWWWH) is C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C. Reversing the Ionian mode (WWHWWWH) would result in C, Bb, Ab, G, F, Eb, Db, C. If I want to know what a C dorian is I would play a Bb scale beginning with the C as my tonic. If I want to play a C phrygian I would play an Ab scale beginning with the C as my tonic. C lydian would be a G scale, C mixolydian would be an F scale, C aeolian would be an Eb scale, and C locrian woild be a Db scale beginning with the C as the tonic. There's more if we can keep this going.

[T-Block]

We know that the Ionian scale is whole, whole, half, whole, whole, whole, half (WWHWWWH). So piggybacking off of jonesl78, you have the C Ionian to begin with. Dealing with the modes I've discovered (though it may have always been known) that reversing the ionian mode would help me unlock the modal puzzle. For example, C Ionian (WWHWWWH) is C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C. Reversing the Ionian mode (WWHWWWH) would result in C, Bb, Ab, G, F, Eb, Db, C. If I want to know what a C dorian is I would play a Bb scale beginning with the C as my tonic. If I want to play a C phrygian I would play an Ab scale beginning with the C as my tonic. C lydian would be a G scale, C mixolydian would be an F scale, C aeolian would be an Eb scale, and C locrian woild be a Db scale beginning with the C as the tonic. There's more if we can keep this going.

WOW, reversing the Ioninan mode, well the pattern of the Ionian mode. I've never even thought of doing that b4. This should be in my original post talking about modes. Me thinks I'm gonna add it. Dude, u just taught me something very valuable here. Great job!!!

I wonder if my school teachers know about this.

[sjonathan02]

We know that the Ionian scale is whole, whole, half, whole, whole, whole, half (WWHWWWH). So piggybacking off of jonesl78, you have the C Ionian to begin with. Dealing with the modes I've discovered (though it may have always been known) that reversing the ionian mode would help me unlock the modal puzzle. For example, C Ionian (WWHWWWH) is C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C. Reversing the Ionian mode (WWHWWWH) would result in C, Bb, Ab, G, F, Eb, Db, C. If I want to know what a C dorian is I would play a Bb scale beginning with the C as my tonic. If I want to play a C phrygian I would play an Ab scale beginning with the C as my tonic. C lydian would be a G scale, C mixolydian would be an F scale, C aeolian would be an Eb scale, and C locrian woild be a Db scale beginning with the C as the tonic. There's more if we can keep this going.

This post was REALLY confusing. But, I figured out why.

You said 'reversing' the pattern of whole and half-steps. To ME, that means (HWWWHWW) which would mean, in C (C,B,A,G,F,E,D,C)


BUT, what you're REALLY saying is to play the pattern while DESCENDING a scale.

For example in F:

F, Eb, Db, C, Bb, Ab, Gb, F


Is that correct?

[T-Block]

This post was REALLY confusing. But, I figured out why.

You said 'reversing' the pattern of whole and half-steps. To ME, that means (HWWWHWW) which would mean, in C (C,B,A,G,F,E,D,C)


BUT, what you're REALLY saying is to play the pattern while DESCENDING a scale.

For example in F:

F, Eb, Db, C, Bb, Ab, Gb, F


Is that correct?

Yes, that's correct.

[sjonathan02]

Yes, that's correct.

Excellent. The next question, I guess, is when would one use these modes?

[B3Wannabe]

Excellent. The next question, I guess, is when would one use these modes?

You must've missed all my mode posts about two/three years ago.




I'll put them in a new thread--downloadable even.

[Dwreck]

You must've missed all my mode posts about two/three years ago.




I'll put them in a new thread--downloadable even.

How soon bro.? I would like this info as well!

[B3Wannabe]

How soon bro.? I would like this info as well!

Already posted:

http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,66911.0.html

[sjonathan02]

You must've missed all my mode posts about two/three years ago.




I'll put them in a new thread--downloadable even.

There were too complicated.

[B3Wannabe]

There were too complicated.

LOL! Probably!

Especially since I was just learning it myself, so I probably wasn't able to convey the concepts properly.

I remember posting the same thing Dwreck posted, but with a different spin on it.