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Offline Pretty_Brit

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If This was Your Choir, You'd Want Some Help Too!!
« on: February 19, 2009, 12:14:05 PM »
Okay. Here's the deal. I'm new to working with a choir. I am the Organist but it's seems like I need to start really working with my church choir.
 
I have about about 11 in the adult choir. They have been used to singing every song in unison. Four of whom are really good singers. Then there are two who can sing but have no ear and will switch keys in a hot second and not know. The rest are, I'd rather not say. 1 soprano, 3 to 4 altos, and 6 tenors. They all have strong voices. so size isn't the problem.

 After a lot of work the Sopranos (cuz there's only one lol) and Altos will have their parts. No matter how low or high, my tenors struggle with it being to high or low and not gettng the note out. I think they are lazy or self conscience! We'll work really hard and actually sound like singers in rehearsal and when it's sunday they go to a loud unison. The director has a "Datta do" attitude so she doen't care how it comes out.

My questions are as follows:

How do I get them to remember their parts and sing them on Sunday with authority?
What are some techniques for warming them up so my tenors can sing their parts?
How do I work on a good smooth sound with the unbalanced membership that I have?
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Re: If This was Your Choir, You'd Want Some Help Too!!
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 08:00:38 AM »
I would encourage you to work with them singing in harmony on familiar songs. If you fix their inclination to revert to unison in songs they already know, chances are that you'll have a better chance of new songs. I warm my choirs up using major scales. I typically start on G.  The tenors and baritones can start at the G that is an octave and a half below middle C. The sopranos and altos will start at the G right below middle C. Just do the scale up and down and the modulate a lot. I typically go up by half steps to F. This is a really good warm-up as it stretches the entire range. I would encourage you to use solfege (do, re, mi, fa, so, la, ti, do). I've found that using syllables that are out of the ordinary can cause singers to something that is new well.
It would be a good idea to invest in a CD recorder or using Garage Band to make Cd's tailored to each part so that they could practice using an accurate recordng in stead of something they could record on a tape recorder.

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Re: If This was Your Choir, You'd Want Some Help Too!!
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 08:41:26 PM »
Okay. Here's the deal. I'm new to working with a choir. I am the Organist but it's seems like I need to start really working with my church choir.
 
I have about about 11 in the adult choir. They have been used to singing every song in unison. Four of whom are really good singers. Then there are two who can sing but have no ear and will switch keys in a hot second and not know. The rest are, I'd rather not say. 1 soprano, 3 to 4 altos, and 6 tenors. They all have strong voices. so size isn't the problem.

 After a lot of work the Sopranos (cuz there's only one lol) and Altos will have their parts. No matter how low or high, my tenors struggle with it being to high or low and not gettng the note out. I think they are lazy or self conscience! We'll work really hard and actually sound like singers in rehearsal and when it's sunday they go to a loud unison. The director has a "Datta do" attitude so she doesn't care how it comes out.

My questions are as follows:

How do I get them to remember their parts and sing them on Sunday with authority?
What are some techniques for warming them up so my tenors can sing their parts?
How do I work on a good smooth sound with the unbalanced membership that I have?

First, meet with the Director - if there's a "Datta do" attitude, that's where you need to start. If the choir director is in charge of the church's music ministry, there may be little you can do without their cooperation. But if you are the MOM, giving out parts, then it is your responsibility to work it out with them and the musicians.

The ideas of doing warm-ups and preparing CD's for the choir are good. You can also do some "mah-meh-mee-mo-mu" type warm-ups to help the group's voices blend. Also have them practice singing harmonies on chords or some easy song (like Tye Tribbett's 'Everything') so the tenors can get used to singing a third above the melody. Like this:

Sopranos (melody):

E   Ev-
F#   -ery-
G#   -thing,

E   You're
A   Ev-
G#   -ery-
F#   -thing,
E   to
E   me.

Tenors:

G#   Ev-
A   -ery-
B   -thing,

G#   You're
C#   Ev-
B   -ery-
A   -thing,
G#   to
G#   me.

Altos:

B   Ev-
C#   -ery-
E   -thing,

B   You're
F#   Ev-
E   -ery-
C#   -thing,
B   to
B   me.


Some guys' voices may not get high enough for the tenor part - so let them sing melody an octave down, for now (if there is no written Bass part). But separate them from the tenors, so they won't be thrown off their part.

You may have to lower keys on some of the arrangements if the tenor parts are still too high. And if after a month or so things aren't getting better, then it may be time for some judicious pruning. Church politics aside, tell them if they can't learn to sing and stay on key, they can sing in the congregation, but not upfront with the group...

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Re: If This was Your Choir, You'd Want Some Help Too!!
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2009, 11:02:31 AM »
betnich speaks much wisdom.  Please take his advice. :)
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Re: If This was Your Choir, You'd Want Some Help Too!!
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2009, 12:10:23 PM »
betnich speaks much wisdom.  Please take his advice. :)

Agreed.
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Re: If This was Your Choir, You'd Want Some Help Too!!
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2009, 07:54:52 PM »
Well at least you have a couple of positives. 1) the voices are good nad 2) the number seems to be consistent.  In all honesty I may not have any solid answers for you, but sometimes when you bring in someone who is really good(I'm not implying that you aren't a capable person) as an expert there is a tendency to listen better and adhere to what was taught. Also one of the things that make some things difficult is that we as musician won't think outside the box-in gospel everything is Sop/Alto/Tenor, but yet in classical music the composers allow for varying voice classification like SAB or Two Part. We seem to be absolutely scared of unison singing as if that is the worst thing in the world, yet unison can be great if there is a concentration in something else like the rhythmn, or expressiveness.

Putting your group with an experienced group of singers may be another technique. Talk to some of the MOMs in your community that have nice choirs and see if you all can come up with a project that everbody can sing in (ie. concert, workshop, choir revival etc)this may help your group to really hear it. Another technique might be to invite three excellent singers to your rehearsal to be section leaders for a month. Take them out to dinner after each rehearsal as an appreciation and give them a gift certificate if they are able to sing one sunday for church.

Another technique might be to work in sectionals-that is one group at a time separate from the others-this allows them to focus with out listening to the other parts.  Another way might be to use a song where each part has it's own part to sing like:

Sop/He has done marvelous, He has done marvelous things praise the Lord
Alto/ Marvelous Marvelous Marvelous Things praise the Lord!
Tenor/He's done marvelous-He's done marvelous praise the Lord!

or
The second section of Revelation 19

Another thing-don't give them too many things to learn.  Sometimes we do too many songs in a rehearsal-yeah it's slows you down, but ultimately in the long run you'll catch up.  Take one song that is not very difficult and fairly predictable and drill the snot out of them and it.  Keep the pace- because people loose focus when things bog down and don't try to have rehearsal all night-you want them worked, but not dead.  Use the piano to teach the part (if it's in tune). Songs that start out unison but then go into harmony are good choices too.

Hey Good Luck and keep us posted

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Re: If This was Your Choir, You'd Want Some Help Too!!
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2009, 07:59:38 PM »
betnich speaks much wisdom.  Please take his advice. :)

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Re: If This was Your Choir, You'd Want Some Help Too!!
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2009, 09:49:50 AM »
Thanks everybody. We have in the past brought in other people who are experts and they do better. It's when they expert has left about a month i have the problem.

You guys have helped me more than you know!I can even write all I wana say but this is oing to help.
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Re: If This was Your Choir, You'd Want Some Help Too!!
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2009, 04:01:33 PM »
Maybe a bit late but coming from a classical stand point(sry my direction is limited to orchestra but i feel that it all applies everywhere after all its really the same concept but back to topic..)

DRILL DRILL AND MORE DRILL...espcially the solfage suggestions. Even go Sister Act II for a moment and make them do la la's for about 30 min stright. They will eventually get it right either out of the reason that they are sick and tired of doing la la's or they are finally getting it...(xD I'm sorry I'm not really that strict i just like to get things done in a timely manner and i don't really play around when it comes to directing thank you orchestra xD)


But in the end its really your call. The best advice i can give is be creative. NO musician likes to do the same drills over and over again so you as a director have to come up with intresting ways to make them do the same drills. If that made any sense at all...

anyway thats my 2 cents

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