Just The Numbers

[Mrandrew]

I was wondering if anyone can get me some of the most common progressions, just using the number system. Please include b's and #'s in the progressions.

My thought behind this is so I can get use to the number system more efficiently and not just ask for progression. I would like to get more in creating my own progressions.

Thanks.

[T-Block]

Do u want all numbers & no notes in these progressions?  I have some here that have the numbers, but i put them in various keys:

More Advanced Progressions:  http://forums.learngospelmusic.com/index.php/topic,15731.0.html

Progressions Practice Routine:  http://forums.learngospelmusic.com/index.php/topic,18903.0.html

Progressions Practice Routine #2:  http://forums.learngospelmusic.com/index.php/topic,31384.0.html

Progressions Practice Routine #3:  http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,36503.0.html

[Mrandrew]

Do u want all numbers & no notes in these progressions?  I have some here that have the numbers, but i put them in various keys:

More Advanced Progressions:  http://forums.learngospelmusic.com/index.php/topic,15731.0.html

Progressions Practice Routine:  http://forums.learngospelmusic.com/index.php/topic,18903.0.html

Progressions Practice Routine #2:  http://forums.learngospelmusic.com/index.php/topic,31384.0.html

Progressions Practice Routine #3:  http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,36503.0.html

Just numbers,the ones you posted I printed already. I'm not familar with number system that well, so if I know a few of the progressions in numbers only I could make my own in any key.

Hopefully this makes sense.

[T-Block]

Just numbers,the ones you posted I printed already. I'm not familar with number system that well, so if I know a few of the progressions in numbers only I could make my own in any key.

Hopefully this makes sense.

The thing about the number is all you need is the bass notes.  If you want everything in numbers, then u must be wanting to know more about voicings than bass note progressions.  Is that a fair assessment?  Example:

Key C

C / F-Bb-D  posted as  1 / 4-b7-2

[Mrandrew]

The thing about the number is all you need is the bass notes.  If you want everything in numbers, then u must be wanting to know more about voicings than bass note progressions.  Is that a fair assessment?  Example:

Key C

C / F-Bb-D  posted as  1 / 4-b7-2

Yes it's the voicings. But looking at your example I'm a little confused now. With this 1 / 4-b72
is it fair to say this is a 1-4-b7-2 in the key of C? If so this is what I'm looking for, if not I'm just confused as to the C being the bass.

[Mrandrew]

I think what I want is something like this.2-5-1 or 7-3-6-5-2-1 or whatever the numbers would be progression wise and I'll play them in the different keys.

[musallio]

Yes it's the voicings. But looking at your example I'm a little confused now. With this 1 / 4-b72
is it fair to say this is a 1-4-b7-2 in the key of C? If so this is what I'm looking for, if not I'm just confused as to the C being the bass.

That is what I envisaged you to be asking for.

Normally when I look at numbers, I also focus on the voicings (ie, the RH)..

So if I really want to drill my brain, If I come up with a nice progression, I put everything in numbers & then just try to play it in any key..it does take some getting used to for some time because it's a test of how well you know any of your major scales backward forths such that you can locate, say, --/4,6,1,3---> 2/4-6-1-3  ---> 6/1-3-#5-7 change in a reasonable time to make the change sound nice..

I find doing my stuff like that saves me lots of time & the more I do it, the lesser I struggle with my scale numbers.

so the example above, in the key of C, would be:

---/F,A,C,E
D/F-A-C-E   [2]
maybe add a run here (E,F,G, roll E,C,A ==3,4,5, roll/bounce 3,1,6)
A/C-E-Ab-B   [6]

As you can see, the actual notes are easier & quicker to locate, but that's only in the key of C & you will rely on a very good ear to play this stuff in any other key if you don't write t out in all the keys..
So I just use numbers for the voicings.

You will see that for some posts in the "Collection Of Talk Music" thread I actually used this system to give people the liberty to play in any key.

[T-Block]

Yes it's the voicings. But looking at your example I'm a little confused now. With this 1 / 4-b72
is it fair to say this is a 1-4-b7-2 in the key of C? If so this is what I'm looking for, if not I'm just confused as to the C being the bass.

O.K., the 1 / 4-b7-2 are the scale degrees for any key. 

The C / F-Bb-D are the notes in the key of C using the above scale degrees.  It's just a C in the LH with a Bb major chord in 2nd inversion in the RH.  In more theory terms, u got a 1 in the LH and a b7 major chord in the RH.

The key of C# would be:  C# / F#-B-D#

The key of D would be:  D / G-C-E

etc.  they all use the same scale degrees, just different notes based on the key u use.  I just wanted to know what u were asking to be posted, and it seems like this is what ur talking about.

[Mrandrew]

OK....I got it now. Had to go back at look at everything again after your last post and caught on.

[musallio]

Sounds almost like something you know:?

LH/RH

7-4-7/6-1-2-4
----3/#5-1-2-3
----6/3-5-6-1
----4/3-5-6-1
----3/2-5-(6)-7
--b3/#1-4-5-6
---2/1-3-4-5 ?
---1/7-2-3-5  or ---1/2-3-7-3

[BroAllan]

Sounds almost like something you know:?

LH/RH

7-4-7/6-1-2-4
----3/#5-1-2-3
----6/3-5-6-1
----4/3-5-6-1
----3/2-5-(6)-7
--b3/#1-4-5-6
---2/1-3-4-5 ?
---1/7-2-3-5  or ---1/2-3-7-3

Thanks Musallio!   Believe it or not, I prefer to see chords written out like that.  That way you can use them for any key that you want ... After all, it is "all about the numbers", right? 
There use to be a time when I had no idea what people were talking about when it came to "numbers".  I thank God for all the opportunities He's given me to learn and understand music, and music theory.  My "LGM" family has been, and continues to be, an important and vital part of my learning process, not only in music, but in other areas as well.

                    God bless you, and the rest of my family here at "LGM" ...  BroAllan 

[Mrandrew]

musallio thanks your close to what I want. You know how some of you guys might call out the progressions using only the numbers but say it's in Db. (ex. play a 7-3-6-b5-2-1 in Db). This is want I'm looking for not really the voicing by numbers but the progressions in numbers.

I know you have 7-3-6, 2-5-1 and so on, since I'm not up on knowing the number system I just want the different types of progressions to do.

Kind of redundant I know.

[musallio]

musallio thanks your close to what I want. You know how some of you guys might call out the progressions using only the numbers but say it's in Db. (ex. play a 7-3-6-b5-2-1 in Db). This is want I'm looking for not really the voicing by numbers but the progressions in numbers.

I know you have 7-3-6, 2-5-1 and so on, since I'm not up on knowing the number system I just want the different types of progressions to do.

Kind of redundant I know.

Alright, now I get you..Seems like you've changed your thoughts now--initially T-Block was asking whether you want this (the voicings) as well or just the bass...ok , that's history.

for this, I would also strongly suggest that you look at the songs that have been posted in the song request area..you can simply extract the basslines..there is such a wealth of information there...

For instance, the song I Need You To Survive (& dozens others) has a nice bassline to it : starts in Db : 1-3-4-5-1 then modulates to Eb, then F etc, but bassline pattern remains the same.  but then the key to make some lines sound mind-blowing is playing the pattern in some rhythmic manner..I think what amateur gospel players like me often ignore (& dilutes our playing is that we want to play fancy lines & play a bass note for all melody notes..but music is magical--sometimes less is more, given the right rhythm (am I correct music gurus ))

Sorry 4 giving out a lecture, but I think this will help many other aspirant players like myself who are looking for ways to spice up their playing..


The 4-5-6 pattern is very sweet...normally i play it with the Maj4  chord in root position, the Maj5 chord in root & min 6 chord in root & then to turn around & resort to the 1 I do a simple scale run after the 6 (with my RH) & then play the 4-5-1 pattern..

in summary, the pattern is :
4-5-6-RH run-4-5-1..

This line is very cool in that you just keep repeating because the 1 leads smoothly into the 4.

but then just playing it like this can get boring if U want some change, so you can insert a #5 between the 5 &6 ,

so now it's:
4-5-#5-6-RH run-4-5-1..

Or even a b5, so it will be 4-b5-5-#5-6-RH run-4-5-1...

I like it when I'm in the 6th because it means I have many ways of getting to the 4, & 1 of the ways is to go  6-b6-5-(1)-4 or 6-b6-5-4 or 6-b6-5-2-3-4 or the circle of 4ths! or 6-b6-5-(3)-4...etc..

Hence any of the above examples could substitute or be done with the run that links the 6 & the 4.

Another thing that could be done with the pattern is to trade the 5 for a 7 when resolving to the 1, eg:

4-5-#5-6- -4-(2)-7-1  (repeat & vary)...


Probably my all-time favorite is the  6-3-4-then to repeat, you "climb" bak to the 6 using 5-#5-6..
Summary:

6-3-4-5-#5-6

With this 1, I can play even for an hour without sounding the same in each progression...playing around different inversions in the RH & appergiating the chord is the trick. It's important to remember that the 4 is where you end..

--I play a major chord with the 6, a minor with the 3 & a major with the 4..I'm yet to explore other possibilities..
[Am I correct to say that this is a minor progression ]

I hope I didn't go off -tangent MrAndrew

[Fenix]

That is what I envisaged you to be asking for.

WOW!!! Who uses that word? Ive been looking for an excuse to use it. In fact i envisage myself using it right now.

[musallio]

WOW!!! Who uses that word? Ive been looking for an excuse to use it. In fact i envisage myself using it right now.

*& he scrutinizes the weirdest of details *

Man, U caught me off-guard there..& I'm cracking like crazy
I don't envisage myself with a moustache like the 1 in you pic

[Mrandrew]

OK.....After doing a search I found what I was looking for. Thanks T-Block for your postings as I found it in topics you posted. What I actually wanted was, as T-Block call them the zip codes. This way I can play in every key using his examples.

[musallio]

OK.....After doing a search I found what I was looking for. Thanks T-Block for your postings as I found it in topics you posted. What I actually wanted was, as T-Block call them the zip codes. This way I can play in every key using his examples.

Awesome..that's good to hear MrAndrew..U took us for some ride there

[Mrandrew]

Sorry about that, but you know this #system thing is new to me. However all Props to  T-Block for doing a lot of different topics to help everyone out.

[sjonathan02]

Sorry about that, but you know this #system thing is new to me. However all Props to  T-Block for doing a lot of different topics to help everyone out.

Where's that thread?

[Mrandrew]

Where's that thread?

These are the threads. Stupid me didn't look through throughly at first. He gives the progression #'s but uses certain keys to illustrate his point.

More Advanced Progressions:  http://forums.learngospelmusic.com/index.php/topic,15731.0.html

Progressions Practice Routine:  http://forums.learngospelmusic.com/index.php/topic,18903.0.html

Progressions Practice Routine #2:  http://forums.learngospelmusic.com/index.php/topic,31384.0.html

Progressions Practice Routine #3:  http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,36503.0.html