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Offline ojkid

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Understanding what we play
« on: July 24, 2007, 11:56:16 AM »
i have theory tell me your opinions on this one. Have you guys ever seen guys like jamal hartwell and the others just flow around which those PHAT chords that just sounds so sweet? i'll be honest i don't know what those guys are playing all the time an maybe the 1 or two chords that i do know from them.. i DO NOT know where to put them in or even how to use them. i'm beign real with yall right now and im sure it happens with many of you guys. so my point is that these guys probably have an understanding of chords or structures that maybe i just don't get. and i do not think that as much as they call out the chord notes for us. even though we get to know the chords names, still wont be able to use them fully. what do you guys think?

By the way i bought a new ES6 today..lol...such a great keyboard

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Re: Understanding what we play
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2007, 12:54:16 PM »
Hey, I know what you are talking about.  I learn the chords as called out or listed, but then when I get into a playing situation, I end up playing the chords that I always use.  I know what they are going to sound like in any key or with most of the songs that I tend to play.  I have to get so familiar whith the new "lush" chord that I know exactly how it will sound so that I can place it in my music.  First, in most cases, I would have to be playing something compatible with the learned chord; contemporary, etc. 

I learn the new chords if they are a complete song and, I can play that song in that key.  Somehow, unlike the chords that I use most of the time, I can't just sit down and start playing a song in any key just using the lush chords that I know.  I wish I could.  And since I don't use them as much, I tend to forget then, and when I want to play the songs that I did learn, I have to really go over them. It is helpful to know which contemporary chord has a tendency to follow another, and I suspect that very extensive practice with these chords would lead to a better ability to use them.

My experience has taught me that it is better to use one(1) learning tool such as Hartwell, Jermaine, etc. and stay with that one until all available is fully learned rather than skipping from course to course. And when learning a lick or song from the internet, to learn the lick or song so that you can play it in your sleep before starting on another.

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Re: Understanding what we play
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2007, 01:22:32 PM »
Just think, to those guys those chords and runs are normal.  That's what u have to get to, being able to play those chords like they normal.  As soon as you learn a "phat chord", put it into practice immediately until it becomes a part of your playing.
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Re: Understanding what we play
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2007, 01:34:13 PM »
im constantly looking for new ways to voice my chords. Whenever I here a chord I like, I try to figure how the artist is using the chord ie, 7-3-6 progression, 1-4-5 progression.

You know whats amazing. Some of these people that we think are beast and have arrived still practice for several hours everyday as if they are new to thier respective instrument. 

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Re: Understanding what we play
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2007, 02:30:36 PM »
You know whats amazing. Some of these people that we think are beast and have arrived still practice for several hours everyday as if they are new to thier respective instrument. 

They gotta practice to keep up their skills.  If not, they gonna sound like garbage too.  You should never, ever, ever stop practicing, especially the basics.
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Re: Understanding what we play
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2007, 03:05:32 PM »
I can definitely relate to what all of you have said. Berbie brought up a good point though, she said that its best to stick with one course instead of going from course to course.....this is so very very true. Everyone has different styles and different understandings, and different ways of presenting theory or what have you. Jamal Hartwell basically plays more on feel than on theory (which is more of my style)   Jermaine Griggs is more of a music professor who does everything by the book. So you do have to choose what you think you can follow very carefully. I have learned that doing things by the book will help you understand more of what you are playing than just doing as I did, playing by feel.  Another suggestion is to find a person that you are comfortable with, someone that you can follow and understand......and stick with them. For example, If I have a question about theory or anything I know that I can understand T-block, therefore, I direct my questions to him. Or if I cant get to him, I know a few others that I can understand pretty well. Continuity can be your very best friend when it comes to distinguishing yourself as an average musician or an above average musician.  ;D ;D
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