Do you think Buring CD's is Wrong ???

[SisterT]

In response to vwebster

(By the way, I also don't issue out typed lyrics of the song. It's a hinderance to memorization):

Hmm, I never thought about that?

1. Work harder at learning a song BEFORE rehearsal. Know all the choir parts and have all parts (Tenor, Alto, Soprano) written out before rehersal. When the choir sees that you are prepared and ready in rehearsal, it will illiminate a lot of "challenging" attitudes.

Excellent, advice. But, what do you do - if you don't do the above really well. We have a tiny church. Our musician has no idea how to do parts, and we don't have a choir director for the adult choir. I'm one of the youth choir directors - and I assure you, if I don't see the music written out, breaking a song into parts is beyond my ability. My husband, the other youth choir director, can --> and is more musically inclined, but says simply we don't have the voices to do parts anyway. We could certainly be more prepared though.

2. Don't rush learning a song. Take your time and teach what the lyrics mean. The choir will better appreciate and comminucate more effectively what they are singing.

Good advice. I "fuss" about this one quite abit. We don't have to learn a song one day and sing it the next. But, I'm usually vetoed. And, I so hate sounding badly.

3. Work with lead singers one on one. Allow them to listen to cds only during the rehearsal time. Encourage them to bring a tape recorder so that they can tape themselves during the rehearsal time. They will have something to listen to and practice with prior to Sunday.

We have got to get more experienced people, somehow.

4. Encourage the choir to strive for excellence. I have taught songs with leads to the choir without them ever listening to a tape. It can be done. You are the leading, you must apply yourself.

So, true.

5. This should have been first..... PRAY, and then pray some more. I really don't believe we in the Music Ministry Pray enough. Pray for God's anointing and guidance.

Perhaps, this gives me a good game plan for Saturday Morning. Thank you.

1. Pray
2. Pray to God and ask Him to stretch you in this area concerning listening to and picking out parts. Remember what is impossible with man is possible with God.
3. Continue to be the voice of reason as it pertains to taking time to learn a song and allowing it to minister to your choir frst so that it can minister to God's people.


Pray this helps.

Jonathan

I am glad the information I posted was helpful. I learned early on that people do not take the time to "listen" to the lyrics when they have a printed copy in front of them. They learn and memorize the words quicker when you do not issue the lyrics.

Repetiton in rehearsal is important. It helps with memorization of lyrics and choir parts.

Also, heed the advice of Sjonathan. It is good advoce. I'd like to add, do not be intimidated by your limitations. Be open to allowing God to broaden your skills. I too had very little skills in the area of pulling out vocal parts, but with much prayer, practice and persistance, I finally got it.

[ltljake]

All Ive seen on this thread are people posting  there thoughts on burning cds and then getting judged for them. I dont think a single person has changed there opinion. Instead of replying with a "your stealing" or a "its post like this that..." why not hold your words and pray for them. Im probably going to get judged for this post but I copy songs on CDs for ministry purposes. I do illegal things for the Lord.  When this Napster craze hit, the industry reacted to it with a legal alternative. Now its a matter of choice. Right now there is no legal alternative to copying music for worship team members. When there is one, let me know. You can say Im wrong, misguided, ignorant and on my way to the bad place below.  The Lord knows my heart. I buy CDs. I dont give copies away to just anyone.  When the industry allows me to license the songs we do to give us legal copy rights then Ill consider that route. Until then I ask that people respect the thoughts of others as you would like your feelings to be respected.  Be Blessed.

[benniedm]

To LTLLAKE

I respect your thoughts....but there are legal ways to doing this thing. If you have a song you want them to learn, just buy the track at wal-mart.com It is just 88ct. Buy enough for the whole team. It may cost and it will be legal and right.

As for as your heart....

Yes God does know your heart....But you must remember He said the The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jer 17:9

Don't get your heart mixed up or confused with intentions. He did not call you for good intentions, he called for clean heart. The condition of your heart is compleatly different for your intentions. Your good intentions maybe to burn cd's for ministry, but is God pleased with your actions.

Has he called you do Break the law??? No.. He has came to fulfill the law not destroy it. In God, you must do whats right even when it's "not's easy".

We must suffer just as Christ did, if we do, even down to doing what's right in our music ministry, God will crown us one day!!! Praise God!!

[vwebster]

There are legal ways of getting CDs and lyrics for your choir. Many gospel artists allow (for a fee) a church music ministry to get a license that allows them to "burn". The fee allows the gospel musicians to still earn money from their efforts.

Otherwise, have each member offer up .88 per song. The only problem with both methods is that not all songs are available.

But, I think if enough interest is sparked, there will more availability.

I think the above poster was attempting to say, that "there is a way that seems right to man"

We are supposed to help and encourage each other. It is our responsibility to help the "body" grow.

I've had very little medicine that actually tasted "good".

I'm inspired. I want to turn over a new leaf. I want to do this thing the right way.

Thanks to whoever started the post and thanks for the convicting words from others. I'd rather be judged now, so I can repent, and start in a new direction, than be judged later when it's too late.

[SisterT]

I'm inspired. I want to turn over a new leaf. I want to do this thing the right way.

Thanks to whoever started the post and thanks for the convicting words from others.

Somebody got it!!!   That's what makes the seven pages and saying the same thing over and over worth it!!! God bless you!

[4hisglory]

Yep, even though I must admit, the thread had really gone down hill.  People were sounding like something from Jerry Springer.........

"I Steal for Jesus.......and am PROUND of it"
on the next Springer show.

But for real, its good that at least one person wants to at least try to do the right thing.

[SisterT]

Yep, even though I must admit, the thread had really gone down hill.  People were sounding like something from Jerry Springer.........

"I Steal for Jesus.......and am PROUND of it"
on the next Springer show.

LOL!! Ain't that the truth!!!  :lol:  :lol:

You got me rollin'....I steal for Jesus and I'm proud of it.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[benniedm]

It is good to know that this thread is actually coming to order and to some good. High Five to vwebster      :lol:

[Luvphillyman]

I would like to get everyone's case on burning cd's?

  Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not focused on the right thing here, but how are we hurting the artists by burning a single song, when every last one of them can be seen on TV, in magazines, and even in newspapers showing off their 'material' things that they bought with the money WE as consumers and fans paid for their music?  Millions of people burn thousands of CD's and individual songs EVERY DAY and I still see Missy Elliot on BET's "How I'm Living" and MTV's "Cribs" with her 4 or 5 brand new cars, (one being a green LAMBORGHINI), her huge house with pool and built-in-the-wall-72" flat screen TV, among many other 'unecessary' things.  Funny, she can still afford all that AND her wardrobe (and putting gas in those cars) even when people "steal" her music.  So many people are STILL BUYING her music, that it obviously doesn't affect her...not as far as her INCOME goes, anyway.  It's the same with many other artist.  Do you see them suffering as much as the people in Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, or any other states that have recently been afflicted by chaos?  No!  Why?  Because they have enough money to go and buy another house if one is blown to bits by a hurricane, shattered by an earthquake, or engulfed in flames.  The only reason I see for them getting upset with people burning copies of their music is that they are thinking about the amount of money they may be missing out on, and how much RICHER they can be if we actually BOUGHT more copies of the music.  Here's a secret many of us (Americans/consumers) may not know:  numerous artists actually STEAL music themselves.  They get away with it because they steal it from FOREIGN countries.  Perfect example:  Britney Spears (not a Gospel artist, but the only example that pops into my head right now).  One of her nasty songs, "Toxic," consists of 'chopped' portions of a song originally from the Middle East.  Go figure.  Yet, we are the ones who are punished for copying songs?  How is that fair?  Artists (some of them) own the RIGHTS to their songs.  If anyone uses them in a commercial, a movie, or as part of their own music, guess what?  The original artist gets PAID millions of $!!  They're not hurt.  They're still "livin' it up".  I say, "pish, posh" to them, and "stop whining".    "Don't be offended, this is all my opinion, ain't nothin' that I'm sayin' law"-India Arie

[XtromatriX]

Well I'll burn a CD in a heart beat and have no probem with it, but I don't do it for the perpous of sellin it. If I buy a CD  for us to learn a song off of it, the rest of the CD may be of no value whatsoever to us. So I don't  usually copy a whole disk but I will rip songs and make CD's that are useful to us containing songs taht we want to learn. And I honestly have no problem with it. I'm not making multiple disk, just one for us to use at Church. I think thats fair use.

-Xtro

[Dredakyst]

regardless of how you feel...

no one is playing fair...

http://www.learngospelmusic.com/ftopict-16485.html

[Long Fingers]

Truth of the matter is there are so many laws that are supposed to be for own "good" in today's society that cares nothing about morals (you can just turn on the news to see it). Many laws in fact were concieved for those who lobby for these laws out of their own pockets and don't care about the so-called "good of people" (look at The Patriot Act and the fiasco surrounding that). Anyways people, especially Christians, break laws, small or big, or do things they shouldn't do, I'm not condoning or condemming nor being pessimistic , I'm just saying. Which brings me to my point, we all probably break the law anyway because according to The American Society of Composers, Authors & Publishers, you even need a license to sing a song or even play it...remember the Girls Scouts organization about 10 years ago and what they went through?

[PianoWizard]

I agree with SisterT on page 1.

SisterT Stated:

1. It is not illegal if you are burning a copy of a cd you purchased for your own personal use. For example, I buy cds for my kids and burn a copy, so that when they scratch their cd I'll have a back-up.

2. SJONATHAN02 -To burn a cd that you purchased, even if it is one song, to give to another person, including your your church, musicians or choir members breaks copyright laws, is illegal and thusly goes against the principles of God.

3. DREDAKYST - Once you buy a cd, you CANNOT do with it whatever you want. That's why copyright laws are in place. Your purchase only allows you license of fair use.

The blank cds were made with good intentions. For home & studio recording, for mixing personal cds. As always, man will find a way to abuse things.

4. RICHBET - Unless you are mixing the cds from purchases you , what you are doing is illegal too.

Now, I was QUEEN of BOOTLEGGING, so I am not condemning ya'll. I got delivered. I realized that first of all, it is stealing. Stealing is not more valuable than my relationship with God. Secondly, the artists are loosing money because of theives like you and I.

I too did Burn CD's for other people when I had purchased CD's, but with the increasing notices and cases about those who have stolen albums, movies etc.… via illegally downloading and buying copyrighted material. I am constantly ensuring that what I do is legal.

PianoWiz...