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Offline NewLevel

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What's the difference in a Seventh and a Maj7th?
« on: November 25, 2005, 12:41:36 AM »
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Offline DrummerBoyGil

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What's the difference in a Seventh and a Maj7th?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2005, 12:53:27 AM »
I'm not sure what you mean, but from what I learned so far, there are 2 seventh chords; a major and a minor. In the key of C, a Cmaj7 chord would be C-E-G-B. A Cmin7 chord would be C-Eb-G-Db. What you mean by seventh might also deal with chord progressions as well. If it does, I can't help you out much with that, I'm still learning myself :(

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What's the difference in a Seventh and a Maj7th?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2005, 12:54:56 AM »
Quote from: DrummerBoyGil
I'm not sure what you mean, but from what I learned so far, there are 2 seventh chords; a major and a minor. In the key of C, a Cmaj7 chord would be C-E-G-B. A Cmin7 chord would be C-Eb-G-Db. What you mean by seventh might also deal with chord progressions as well. If it does, I can't help you out much with that, I'm still learning myself :(


I made a oopsie  :oops:

A Cmin7 chord would be C-Eb-G-Bb. sorry for the confusion

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Re: What's the difference in a Seventh and a Maj7th?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2005, 01:19:30 AM »
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A MAJOR SEVENTH INVOLVES THE SUBDOMINANT 7 ( UNFLATTED )
AND IT CAN ALSO BE CALLED A SEVENTH CHORD!

ALSO A MAJOR CHORD IS WHEN YOU USE THE FLATTED SEVEN, BUT KNOWN AS THE DOMINANT 7 ( FLATTED )

THIS TOO IS CALLED A SEVENTTH CHORD!

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What's the difference in a Seventh and a Maj7th?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2005, 10:39:19 AM »
A 7th is just a general name for a chord.  It could be any one of the many different types of 7th chords.  A Maj7th is a specific name for a specific 7th chord.  The members of a Maj7th chord in any key is:  1-3-5-7
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What's the difference in a Seventh and a Maj7th?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2005, 06:07:01 PM »
Yep, lots of 7th chords. Maybe I can add some help by listing most of them.

In jazz:

The Major 7th chord is a Major chord with a Major 7th:
CMa7= C,E,G,B

The minor 7th chord is a minor chord with a minor 7th:
Cmi7= C,Eb,G,Bb

The minor 7th(b5) is a minor chord with a minor 7th and b5:
Cm7b5= C,Eb,Gb,Bb

The 7 chord by itself is considered a dominant chord:
C7= C,E,G,Bb

The 7(b5) is considered a dominant chord with a b5:
C7(b5)= C,E,Gb,Bb

The 7(#5) is considered a dominant chord with a #5:
C7(#5)= C,E,G#,Bb   (also known as 'augmented', C7aug)

I think that looks right.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2005, 10:30:24 PM »
Drummergirl..I kow the feeling about this 7th chord. Iam praying that God open up my understanding in dealing with this 7th chord..also..U have the question that I have had for sometimes. So far, its hasnt been answered where I can understand it yet.  But, this is theory. :lol:  I am not knocking u teachers. Its me. I dont understand it yet.

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What's the difference in a Seventh and a Maj7th?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2005, 11:37:22 AM »
C#7             C#  F  G#  Bb
C#M7                          C#  F G#  C
C#m7          C#  E  G#  Bb
C#mM7                      C#  E  G#  C
C#º7            C#  E  G  B
THe first chord is a C# dominant 7th chord
2nd  C#Major 7th
3rd  C# minor 7th
4th   C# Major-Minor 7th
5th is C# Diminished 7th

I hope that by just looking at these it will help you understand the differeneces....I am not entirely sure how to explain it I just play it.

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What's the difference in a Seventh and a Maj7th?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2005, 06:52:06 PM »
The correct answer has already been posted but I thought it might be helpful to explain it.  

In any scale, each note can be numbered.  For example, in the key of C:

C D E F G A B C
1  2 3 4 5  6 7 8

Where you start, C, is numbered "1." The second note in the scale, D, is numbered "2."  And so forth.  

The major seventh chord consists of key numbers 1, 3, 5, and 7.  That's why it's called a "seventh" chord - the seventh note of the scale is played along with the root chord, C, E, and G.  So, a CM7 (C Major Seventh) chord is C-E-G-B.

The DOMINANT seventh, however, flats the 7th note.  Remember, the seventh note is B.  Flatting the B note (which means dropping it 1/2 step) makes the 7th note Bb.  So, a C Dominant Seventh is C-E-G-Bb.  

If you are reading music and all you see is the notation "C7", what you need to play is the dominant seventh.  (The flatted 7th)  I think of the meaning of the word "dominant" means "stronger" - and it's the one you use when someone just throws the word "seventh" around without specifying.   It's also the seventh you use when you're building a larger chord, like a 9th, 11th or 13th.

If you're interested:
9ths, 11ths and 13ths work the same way.  You'd play the 9th note in the scale (obviously you'd have to start over, because you know there are only 8 notes to a scale).

C D E F G A B C D
1  2 3 4 5  6 7 8  9

The 9th note is D, as you can see - so add a D to your dominant seventh chord, and you have a 9th.  (You always play 9ths, 11ths, and 13ths with the 7th.)  Each level adds another note, which can start to sound a little muddled and complicated to play, but you don't have to play all those notes with one hand, and sometimes people either drop one of the notes that's supposed to be played to simplify it or double up on one of the notes to phatten up the chord.

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2005, 10:15:18 PM »
The DOMINANT seventh, however, flats the 7th note. Remember, the seventh note is B. Flatting the B note (which means dropping it 1/2 step) makes the 7th note Bb. So, a C Dominant Seventh is C-E-G-Bb.
So, Lady. Does this mean that all the scale {keys} we lower a half of step?

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What's the difference in a Seventh and a Maj7th?
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2005, 12:13:29 AM »
You only lower (flat) the seventh note, or in this case, the B to get a dominant seventh.  Everything else stays the same.  Think of your basic triad - CEG - as 1, 3, and 5.  When you add a dominant seventh, it's still 1, 3, and 5, but you're adding the flatted seventh.  1-3-5-7b.

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2005, 02:24:11 AM »
Hey Gang!  This is one area that has stumped me for the longest time!
So many different variations of the seventh...  Here's how I  learned
to play the right seventh note:  If the chord name is followed by a "min7"
or a "7", I play the "flatted 7th" note; (example:  Dmin7, or D7 ).  
If the chord name is followed by a "maj7" or "major7", I play the 7th note
along with the triad.  Example:  "Amaj7 or Amajor7" = A-C#-E-G#...
I know others have shared the same  thing in different ways...
The bottom line for me is, if ithe chord doesn't have a "maj7" or "MAJ7"
in it, I play the "flatted 7th" note, (one whole step down from the octave)
I hope this helps you like it did me... God bless you,  BroAllan

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What's the difference in a Seventh and a Maj7th?
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2005, 09:42:09 PM »
Here are the different seventh chordslisted in C:

C Dominant seventh or C7 = C-E-G-Bb

This chord is formed in all keys by taking a major triad and adding a minor third to it (minor 3rd = 3 half steps)

C Major Seventh or Cmaj7 = C-E-G-B

This chord is formed in all keys by taking a major triad and adding a major third to it (major 3rd = 4 half steps)

C Minor Seventh or Cmim7= C-Eb-G-Bb

This chord is formed in all keys by taking a minor triad and adding a minor third to it (minor 3rd = 3 half steps) or take a dominant seventh and flat the 3rd

C Diminished Seventh or Cdim7= C-Eb-Gb-A

This is a diminished triad with a minor 3rd added

Half diminished seventh or Cmin7b5= C-Eb-Gb-Bb

This is simply a minor seventh with a flatted 5th
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