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« Reply #80 on: October 12, 2005, 07:22:16 AM »
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Your right dredakyst. Undoubtably, this topic steams with furation. I just seem to see a cycle. For new posters, reading previous posts would give you a tangable heads up.  Questions and comments many new posts ask or say previous posts have answered or touched. That way, some repetive questions can be answer quickly. Ye,t your questions matter reguardless. Some new and intriguing thoughts may develop.

For Jones

Are you incinuating burning cds for choirs promote artist?


I WAS BASICALLY CREATING A THEORY BASED ON GOSPEL ARTIST'S LACK OF CONCERN IN REGARDS TO THIER MATERIAL BEING ILLEGALLY DUPLICATED IN OUR CHURCHES BY MUSIC MINISTRIES. iN COMPARISON TO SECULAR ARTIST, GOSPEL ARTIST ARE LESS AGRESSIVE IN PROTECTING THEIR MATERIAL.


I see your point Concerning cd burning, the counteractive aggressiveness secular artists portray meniscules the endeavors gospel artist engage in to protect their  music.

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« Reply #81 on: October 12, 2005, 10:43:19 AM »
I SAY... WE DON'T NEED NO WATER LET THE CD COPIES BURN.
PRAISE JESUS...
I won't take nothing for my journey now. No turnin' back, no turnin' back.

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« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2005, 10:44:34 AM »
Don't mind her, she just playing folk....LOL....tring to start up stuff....

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« Reply #83 on: October 12, 2005, 10:47:17 AM »
JUST KIDDING...
 I BURN CD'S EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. WHEN I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY A CD AND A FRIEND HAS IT I WILL SAVE IT TO MY PC AND BURN A COPY LATER. I REALLY DON'T GET WHY STORES STILL SELL BURNERS OR WHY COMPUTER COMPANIES SELL THEM IF ITS SUCH A HUGE PROBLEM.

I DO LIKE HOW MARY-MARY PUT A 3 COPY LIMIT ON THEIR CD... I THINK THAT WAS NICE AND SMART.
I won't take nothing for my journey now. No turnin' back, no turnin' back.

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« Reply #84 on: October 12, 2005, 12:06:18 PM »
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I REALLY DON'T GET WHY STORES STILL SELL BURNERS OR WHY COMPUTER COMPANIES SELL THEM IF ITS SUCH A HUGE PROBLEM.


Handguns are designed for the specific intent of killing people. Just because a certain technology is readily available doesn’t mean you may use that technology to break the law. By the way, CD burners have many legal uses, such as backing up hard drives, transferring files between computers, etc.

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« Reply #85 on: October 12, 2005, 12:57:07 PM »
It is absolutely wrong.  It is literally taking the food out of the mouths of the artists themselves and it is illegal which goes against the Laws (thou shalt not steal).  

Now if you own it already and make copies for your own use (i.e. makeing compilations or backup dics then that is one thing).

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« Reply #86 on: October 13, 2005, 04:10:03 PM »
i should have posted this earlier...but as stated before...

under the copyright law... you can't even preform songs at your church without permission (see below)

So everyone that is still tripping out... all of it is wrong...(burning,tape ministry sales, and the A&B selection) unless you have express written consent.





What Copyright Law Covers

According to the U.S. Copyright Office, copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United States (title 17, U.S. Code) to the authors of "original works of authorship," including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published and unpublished works.

Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and authorize others to do the following:

-To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords;

-To prepare derivative works based upon the work;

-To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending.

-To perform the work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographed works, pantomines, and motion pictures, and other audiovisual works;

-To display the copyrighted works publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographed works, pantomines, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work; and

-In the case of sound recordings, to perform the work publicly by means of digital audio transmission.

The law prohibits anyone from infringing on these exclusive rights without first receiving permission from the owner. These rights, however, are not unlimited in scope. Sections 107 through 121 of the 1976 Copyright Act establish limitations on these rights.

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« Reply #87 on: October 13, 2005, 04:12:45 PM »
and all the Tight line Ministers of Music out there... I guess this is what u need

Church Copyright License

http://www.ccli.com/whoarewe/CopyrightLicense.cfm


Forgive/Correct me if I missed any of the details as stated above.

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« Reply #88 on: October 13, 2005, 04:21:19 PM »
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and all the Tight line Ministers of Music out there... I guess this is what u need

Church Copyright License

http://www.ccli.com/whoarewe/CopyrightLicense.cfm


Forgive/Correct me if I missed any of the details as stated above.


Yes, I knew that, but did you know that it is very easy to secure permission.

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« Reply #89 on: October 13, 2005, 04:29:24 PM »
i read in a song book that stated these laws.... it surprised me... all I ever did was show up for choir rehearsal and Sunday morning service

but honestly... i would stop supporting that artist if they didn't let me sing their song in church..... be like "what kinda of ministry is that... get out of here devil"

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« Reply #90 on: October 13, 2005, 06:27:08 PM »
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and all the Tight line Ministers of Music out there... I guess this is what u need

Church Copyright License

http://www.ccli.com/whoarewe/CopyrightLicense.cfm


Forgive/Correct me if I missed any of the details as stated above.


Settle down tiger.

That is a general license that is NOT put out by the federal government. It is NOT directed to actual performance, but rather directed toward copying the music. I question whether such a license is necessary and whether it will even hold up in court.

More importantly, the copyright law you posted has an exception for giving performances. See the bottom of the law you posted. The relevant exception here is 17 U.S.C. 110 (3):

"Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, the following are not infringements of copyright: ... (3) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work or of a dramatico-musical work of a religious nature, or display of a work, in the course of services at a place of worship or other religious assembly".


Performing in church is OK bro. You heard!!!

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« Reply #91 on: October 13, 2005, 10:15:54 PM »
Well what i'm stating is out of love.. and not to challenge anyone.... so i am not posting with an attitude...hence the phase "forgive/correct" i am learning the process just like everyone else...  sorry if I offended you ;)

To my understanding,  the "CCLI" is a service that will to the legwork for
you...

however what i copy/pasted is from

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html

as well as

http://www.ccli.com/whoarewe/CopyrightIssues.cfm


So what we have learned is this…. 110(3) allows the A&B selection…

However... what about the Tape Ministry sales... doesn’t that fall in the same category as burning…

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« Reply #92 on: October 13, 2005, 10:31:09 PM »
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Well what i'm stating is out of love.. and not to challenge anyone.... so i am not posting with an attitude...hence the phase "forgive/correct" i am learning the process just like everyone else...  sorry if I offended you ;)

To my understanding,  the "CCLI" is a service that will to the legwork for
you...

however what i copy/pasted is from

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html

as well as

http://www.ccli.com/whoarewe/CopyrightIssues.cfm


So what we have learned is this…. 110(3) allows the A&B selection…

However... what about the Tape Ministry sales... doesn’t that fall in the same category as burning…


Don't worry. I'm not arguing. I was just trying to be a little humorous, while trying to provide correct information.

Regarding the Tape Ministry, it depends on what's taped. It has to be treated case by case. I can't answer a general question like that.

In the mean time, you understand that performance is OK, right?

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« Reply #93 on: October 13, 2005, 10:43:37 PM »
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To my understanding,  the "CCLI" is a service that will to the legwork for you...


Correct, but you may not need that license they have created, depending on what you're trying to do with the copyrighted music. What are you trying to do with copyrighted music exactly?

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« Reply #94 on: October 13, 2005, 11:02:48 PM »
Cool! I am with cha... :)

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« Reply #95 on: October 14, 2005, 02:58:47 AM »
If you burn a Cd w/o permission from the artist, you're going to hell.

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« Reply #96 on: October 14, 2005, 07:13:05 AM »
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If you burn a Cd w/o permission from the artist, you're going to hell.



Ya'll please don't go start debating this. It's time to end this discussion. Nothing new is being said...just the same old same old...so don't ya'lll get worked up over this.

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« Reply #97 on: October 14, 2005, 08:04:11 AM »
Thank you Sister T!!! Eventhough I started this post....I barly look at this thread anymore...It is time to move on.....The law has been posted.....do what's right.....and lets move on the greater better things.....WHo has the chords to Yes by S. Glory

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« Reply #98 on: October 14, 2005, 08:11:26 AM »
However... what about the Tape Ministry sales... doesn’t that fall in the same category as burning…[/quote]

I think that if a Choir does a Music Tape using other artist's music and sales it.....It is wrong. Usually, if you look at TBN. A choir can perform a song on TV , but if they perform on TV with like TD JAKES and you buy the tape of it....YOu will only get the message not the Choir.......You can perform....not sell...

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« Reply #99 on: October 14, 2005, 08:22:25 AM »
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...YOu will only get the message not the Choir.......You can perform....not sell...


We have had artists like Yoland Adams, and Dorinda Clark Cole to sing at our church. People quickly purchased the tapes because they thought the artist would be on it, after all, they were on the big screen monitors during service. A lot of folk were disappointed because the artists were not on the tape.

This thread proves that not only people but churches are ignorant of the law. Thank God the owners of songs are not bringing charges. Can you imagine how busy the court system would be!  :lol:
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