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« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2005, 10:41:02 AM »
you bought the CD you can do whatever you please with it.
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« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2005, 10:44:04 AM »
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Read through the past post. The responses will give you vital information concering buring cd's and how Christians should respond. Also, the post, especially thoes of Sister T, identify excellent methods of legally aquiring music for praise teams and muscians.

If you follow them, the satisfaction of knowing God's approval is on your methods of musical teaching is priceless!!![/u]

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« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2005, 10:45:37 AM »
Brutha....this just isnt true.  

People we really need to educate ourself before we speak on things.
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« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2005, 10:46:34 AM »
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I just say this...I make a mixed CD for my musicians if we have a concert, I dont see anything wrong with that.  MAybe it is, but I dont see anything wrong withthat


If you have read page after page that it is illegal to do such a thing, and be given a site where you can read up on the law and still state "I don't see anything wrong with that", I hope you realize how much influence Satan has in your life.

If you can continue saying I don't see nothing wrong with doing what IS ILLEGAL.......my prayers are with you.

Stealing is stealing.



Lisa & Andrea, I'm glad the information was helpful to you.

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« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2005, 10:55:05 AM »
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Brutha....this just isnt true.  

People we really need to educate ourself before we speak on things.


Daryl, based on some of the post that have been made one the last two pages, I believe there are some that have not READ what has been discussed and are posting out of ignorance, meaning they just don' t know any better.

Brutha's statement and Dooleys statement are the lastest two that have already been discussed and proved by law to be erroneous statements. A few other statements have been mixed with the "what I feel" opinions.

When it comes to the law and the principles of God, "what I feel" don't matter. We need to learn how to submit to those in authority over us. When we participate in any type of illegal activity, we are disobeying God.

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« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2005, 10:55:31 AM »
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As stated before, the reason why Christian CD's are so expensive is that many people are bootlegging . . . and it is illegal. We are all paying for the theft of a few!


BBoy i partially agree with you on that...


What i have to say really don't deal with the topic of burning...so i will hit it up in a new topic...

As for the theft analogy… I do believe that God is a “God of order” and he will make provisions that will even confound the wise to get his will done. (squalling… “ Cause He made a way out of no way” well sir... What was that way???...lol)

As for rendering what is Caesar what’s his…(law of the land) I come to believe, provisions will always be made… from plain ole favor, all the way to the miraculous coins in the fish mouth… so yea… there is some gray to what we call "provisional" or "miraculous"


i will address what i feel about "Christian Music sales" in another topic...

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« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2005, 11:44:34 AM »
dang Sister T just cut me up and send me to Hell then.  DANG!  :lol: Anyways. I do not condone just burning a whole CD and giving it away to someone because they dont buy them.  I just bought YouthFul Praise, Hezekiah Walker, and a few other CD's.  However, the easiest way for me to make some things for a concert, is to just copy them to a CD for my musicians.  If God sends me to hell for burning a CD, then I will be salty.  I dont think its stealing because half the time after i learn songs off of a CD for a concert I never listen to it again or i even throw it away, or erase the CD and put something else on it for the next concert...
So I will say this, I BUY my CD's mainly because I like to read whats in the CD booklet.  But I copy practice CD's.  Im sure I wont go to Hell for that.  A
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« Reply #67 on: October 11, 2005, 12:25:52 PM »
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I understand ya in every area. But no copies means no copies. No reason justifies copying except only allowed by law. As innocent our reasons may seem rather church reasons or not, it is still wrong and unlawful. Also as said in your post, you said "half the time" you get rid of the cds. 99 1/2 wont do.  My suggestion is the just do as SIS T said. If you have to burn something, Go to walmart.com and buy it. It's only 88 cents. As for going to hell...well....i'll just say just do what's right and you won't even have to worry about that.

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« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2005, 12:57:08 PM »
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dang Sister T just cut me up and send me to Hell then.  DANG!  :lol:


Reread my post...I didn't send you to Hell.  :lol: I am not the one qualified to do such. I stated, when you know something is wrong and choose to continue to do wrong you are under Satanic influence. Making that copy of a song to give to someone is in fact illegal. It matters not what you think, it's the law...that's all I'm trying to communicate.

Man, if you are going to hell over burning a cd, then I'm in big trouble. I'm not SINLESS, I just SIN LESS. I thank God for new mercy and grace each day!!!

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« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2005, 01:49:00 PM »
In response to the post about GOD making a way when there was no way . . .

Listen, I understand. Really I do. But GOD is Holy. GOD will never side with what is wrong, because then HE would not be Holy.

GOD never gave anybody favor so they could keep doing wrong. GOD gives favor so they can start doing right.

Just because GOD doesn't strike someone down doesn't mean that what they did was alright with HIM.

Copyright laws are put in place to protect the artist. That is why we don't burn CD's, it is stealing what they worked for. There is no way the artist can be present with everyone who baught their CD to turn them in for bootlegging, so the laws of the land say clearly "Unauthorized reproduction is prohibited and it against the law. All rights protected"

That is why I am REALLY against making copies of the instructional videos that brothers and sisters put out. They get a vision to help the Body of Christ, make a video, and of all people the chruch . . . THE CHURCH starts stealing from our own brothers by not buying their own copies . . . they start dubbing them!  8O  The devil is a liar!

Through the loss of revenue needed to pay for studio time, production time, etc . . . they can't make another video. Or they have to charge more than they want to because they know that there will be some bootlegging going on. So we all suffer.

Many people do try to find grey areas . . . case in point, this thread. We know it is illegal, but oh well . . .

Many people do the same with ministry. As long as they are not the musician or director, then they feel like they are justified to talk about what needs to change, what is wrong, what needs to be done differently . . . and they see nothing wrong with it. The Bible CLEARLY says to beware of idle words because you will account for every one of them . . .  and the love thinks no evil, but so what . . . it is their church, they give in the offering, and they feel like they should have their say. They see nothing wrong with it.

Then they become MOM or director, and those same words now almost make them want to cry. They want to quit, because now they are on the other end. It's not right now that they are suffering for it. Now something needs to change, and how in the world can they call themselves saved and be so evil . . . etc, etc etc . . .

Same with this. The people who bootlegg are not the artist who is losing MUCH money, and so they see nothing wrong with it. The Bible CLEARLY says that we are to be subject to the higher powers for they watch for our good, and the powers that be are ordained by GOD. but so what . . . they feel like they have a right to do what they want with what they bought. So what if the law clearly says no, so what if it is theft. So what?  

What about if you were the artist going bankrupt, or can't record again, or has to work another job so you can afford to record again? What if it is your CD who can't pay back the company who backed you and whom you owe? And you know it is because of church people bootlegging? Now YOU are suffering, so it's different now. Now you're ready to say who is saved and who isn't saved, how can church people steal like that and still shout anyway . . . etc, etc, . . .

Yes, many people do lie on GOD and hint at "He made a way out of no way," when they actually did what was wrong. But I want to be blessed. I don't decide what is right or wrong by what someone else did, or even by how I feel about it or how I see things.

It is theft.

Theft.

Theft.

And theft will never be right.
Joshua 1: 7, 8

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« Reply #70 on: October 11, 2005, 02:41:36 PM »
The continuance of the thread startles me. When I started this tread, the actual number of the responses were unprecedented in my mind. Sadly and seemingly, the ideas and convictions of burning cds seem intact, unchanged despite concrete scriptural and governmental accounts. This exposes the unavailability the body of Christ posses to transport into position when God corrects and rebukes, utterly despicable. 60+ posts, which 70% gives accounts relinquishing cd burning. Yet, this tread perpetuates deeming no end in sight. Will we continue to engage in this debate?  Will it demand 60 more posts before a conclusion can be conjured up? God Forbids! Cd burning is wrong, a rhetorical statement, no comment needed. If you have needs for practice cds, follow Sis T advice. Do what's right so God can bless you right. Lets move on from this "milkish debate" and move on to greater "more meaty" ventures.    

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« Reply #71 on: October 11, 2005, 02:45:30 PM »
BBOY well said, and to add what I already posted, 'cause folk are just not reading what has been posted:

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Imagine if someone was stealing a huge portion of your hard earned weekly paycheck...you were suppose to make $5000, but the theives left you with $1000.

Would you sit back and say "I don't see nothing wrong with that?"  

Would you want it to continue happening because you still have enough money to "get by" on?

Most importantly, do you think God is pleased with your behavior...Is God leading you to illegally burn cds OR are you under satanic influence? It's got to be one or the other

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« Reply #72 on: October 11, 2005, 03:32:14 PM »
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The continuance of the thread startles me. When I started this tread, the actual number of the responses were unprecedented in my mind.


I would say this is a hot topic because it is the supporting backbone of most music ministries...  everyone is indirectly affected by this practice in some form or another....

Yea.. and Sister T.. you know most people don't read past the first post and the last page...  :lol:

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« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2005, 03:34:01 PM »
Very interesting topic. This also a very important topic. I think the majority on the board can admit to accepting or burning cd's at one time or another.  BOTTOM LINE.  burnding cd's is wrong.

Just to think outside the box a little bit. Have you ever heard of a gospel artist attacking fans for "bootlegging?" I remember a few years ago, a popular rock band sued fans for burning and downloading illegal copies of music. Secular artist will also publicly promote their album ( uh, CD) as well as encourage fans to spend their money at the store and not burn copies. I haven't seen nor heard of a gospel artist publicly protest against cd's being burned. Why? Marketing and promotions!!!

Most companies allocate about 10% of their earnings toward marketing. Night clubs pay as much as $60,000 or more to have a artist come and sit in their club.( not perform, sit!!!) Record companies also pay large sums of money to radio stations to have their material aired.

Gospel artist? Their target audience definently makes up the body of the church. Their is no better marketing than free marketing. For example, M.O.M. burns cd for band. Song is taught to choir. Choir sings the song to an audience of 300-400. And there you have it. The target audience has been reached. The church kind of serves as a radio station to meet the masses of people that the artist wants to promote his/her music to.

(This is just something to ponder. Im not saying this is exactly what happens. Any of the items that I mentioned could be considered variable.)

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« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2005, 03:48:15 PM »
Your right dredakyst. Undoubtably, this topic steams with furation. I just seem to see a cycle. For new posters, reading previous posts would give you a tangable heads up.  Questions and comments many new posts ask or say previous posts have answered or touched. That way, some repetive questions can be answer quickly. Ye,t your questions matter reguardless. Some new and intriguing thoughts may develop.

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Are you incinuating burning cds for choirs promote artist?

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« Reply #75 on: October 11, 2005, 04:10:09 PM »
Well it is a known fact that we hardly support our own... Secular artist have fan bases... we are told not to strongly support our types of artist in that manner... cause you are putting them on a pedestal and that’s a sin…. But you go on Destiny’s Child Fan sites and you will see downloads full albums and rare footage (vids, pics) but yet they are still multi-platinum.

This argument can go down to lack of label support, or to the quality of production…

 But I just feel like it is a disconnect between The Christian artist and the listeners…

Why are Kids at my church parking lot listening to Charlie Wilson and not Kirk Ki-Ki or Tye.... and out of all Secular Artists... A Gap Band Member... but yet it goes on across america...

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« Reply #76 on: October 11, 2005, 04:15:31 PM »
People who don’t want to be burdened with buying tracks come up with the most creative, yet wrong, justifications for their behavior.

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« Reply #77 on: October 11, 2005, 04:53:44 PM »
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Your right dredakyst. Undoubtably, this topic steams with furation. I just seem to see a cycle. For new posters, reading previous posts would give you a tangable heads up.  Questions and comments many new posts ask or say previous posts have answered or touched. That way, some repetive questions can be answer quickly. Ye,t your questions matter reguardless. Some new and intriguing thoughts may develop.

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Are you incinuating burning cds for choirs promote artist?


I WAS BASICALLY CREATING A THEORY BASED ON GOSPEL ARTIST'S LACK OF CONCERN IN REGARDS TO THIER MATERIAL BEING ILLEGALLY DUPLICATED IN OUR CHURCHES BY MUSIC MINISTRIES. iN COMPARISON TO SECULAR ARTIST, GOSPEL ARTIST ARE LESS AGRESSIVE IN PROTECTING THEIR MATERIAL.

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« Reply #78 on: October 11, 2005, 07:58:22 PM »
One of my favorite Bible teachers has video tapes of Bible teaching sessions that people could purchase if they wanted their own copy to keep.

Or they could rent it for a period of time and send it back.

It got back to this Bible teacher that some people were dubbing copies after renting them.

She said on TV, "Folks, now you know that is illegal."

Those who were dubbing copies were making it harder for those who had little or no money to buy or rent their own copy, because the ministry still had to pay for reproduction of the videos, pay the technicians and those who work in the ministry.

See who we hurt when we burn materials and bootleg?

One, we hurt the servants of GOD who are laboring to help us. They have a right to make their living by the gospel, and we are stealing that from them.

Two, the people who need it the most and can barely afford to get it are now in a position where they can't get to it at all! All because some people want to bootleg.

A family member of mine used to go to a church that had a bread wagon there on Sundays. The bread wagon was filled with bread and cakes for those on a fixed income, or those who needed it to make their food go farther . . . single mothers with lots of children, parents who lost their jobs, etc. There wasn't anyone to check off names at that bread wagon, it was done on the honor system to help saints who needed it.

I remember thinking what a shame it would be for people who really didn't need it to get some just because it was there. As a result, there would be less for those who really needed that to fix sandwiches for the kids, or who needed it to make meatloaf and make the hamburger go farther and feed five instead of three, etc.

I'm young, strong, in perfect health and working full-time. That bread isn't for me . . . it's for people who will go hungry without it. So I didn't need anyone to tell me that . . . integrity told me that.

Sometimes we don't know whom we are hurting. Let's walk in integrity, saints.

Be Blessed  :D
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« Reply #79 on: October 11, 2005, 08:04:25 PM »
Anyways, God is good
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