Do you think Buring CD's is Wrong ???

[Jmanley1116]

Ummmm........

The basic applicable legal code is buried under Section 110 of the Copyright law of 1976
(17 U.S.C. §110[3]). Section 110 states that, without fear of breaking the law, churches
may
1. Perform non-dramatic literary or musical works and religious dramatic and musical works.
2. Display individual works of a non-sequential nature (17 U.S.C. ?101) during services at a
house of worship or other religious assembly.

So stop spreading rumors............ 8O

[sjonathan02]

WHo has the chords to Yes by S. Glory

Check the keyboard room. It's posted by Brutha 28

[playhear]

Jmanley1116, I beat you to the punch (see my post above)...good lookin' out though.

[Jmanley1116]

playhear, I realized that after I posted.  Sorry about that.  Well at least you got confirmation  :lol:  (not that it was needed).

[benniedm]

So stop spreading rumors............ 8O

What rumors and who are you refering to.......

[ltljake]

It is absolutely wrong.  It is literally taking the food out of the mouths of the artists themselves and it is illegal which goes against the Laws (thou shalt not steal).  

Now if you own it already and make copies for your own use (i.e. makeing compilations or backup dics then that is one thing).

Not out the Artist mouths. Not at all. The artist are going to get paid regardless. It is however taking money out of the average worker who get laid off because sales are down. From the mass producer assembly line worker to the Walmart employee.  Higher ups dont suffer. Its the little people that do.

 I used to play for a church were all the musicians played by ear. Guess how they learned the songs for rehearsal? They all got burned cds. Wrong? Not at all. We need to check our hearts people and not let a legal technicallity get in the way of Ministry. It wasnt wrong when all the choirs members got  degraded cassette tape copys of a song to learn for Sunday but now that technology has allowed us to make "Perfect Digital Copies" its an issue.  And Yes...it is an issue if those copies keep you from buying the actual CD.

For the M.O.M.s: Do Gods work.
Dont let burned copys of Sundays list be an issue.  Winning Souls is #1

For all other team members: If you like the album,buy it. Who knows a song may touch your heart that you could present to the M.O.M. Maybe youll get a solo.  

For everybody else: Dont Steal. If you own an album and you want to bless someone with a song from an album that has blessed you, go buy the album for them. You will appear more thoughtful.

[playhear]

ltljake's post is a shining of example of someone who made up their mind before reading this thread, then posted illegal advice anyway. ltljake's post is also a perfect example of why I believe the gospel community jacks tracks more than the secular community. That type of thought process is one reason gospel CD's tend to cost more than secular CD's. Unfortunately, such thinking has got to be discouraging to gospel artists trying to make a living in the industry.

[ltljake]

ltljake's post is a shining of example of someone who made up their mind before reading this thread, then posted illegal advice anyway. ltljake's post is also a perfect example of why I believe the gospel community jacks tracks more than the secular community. That type of thought process is one reason gospel CD's tend to cost more than secular CD's. Unfortunately, such thinking has got to be discouraging to gospel artists trying to make a living in the industry.

  :roll:  Hmmmmm...Never mind.

[ltljake]

No disrespect to the Artist. No one deserves to be stolen from, but I will stick by what I said about checking your own heart. You should support the music industry by buying music and not stealing, and No playhear, Gospel music doesnt cost more than other music because its Jacked more. I bought Mary Marys latest cd for $9.99 at Walmart.  I dont mean to cause an argument, nor do I mean to hide behind Ministry as justification for stealing, but Ill say it again. We need to check our hearts. If we want to be blessed with more of what today's Gospel artist are doing, we need to support them by buying there music.  If you feel convicted about getting next sundays list burned on CD for you to learn(and I dont know anyone that does)  learn the music and give the CD back.

[playhear]

ltljake, almost every assumption you've made is factually incorrect. Have some self-respect and respect for others. If you want to wander about making decisions based on false assumptions, then that's all on you. Don't just make up stuff and spread your false information around like it's fact.

Here are some facts you should know so you can speak with knowledge and have people pay attention to you:

Fact #1: Gospel CD's are more expensive on average than secular CD's.

Fact #2: Copying copyrighted music for others is illegal, and the furtherance of gospel is no justification for breaking that law.

[ltljake]

ltljake, almost every assumption you've made is factually incorrect. Have some self-respect and respect for others. If you want to wander about making decisions based on false assumptions, then that's all on you. Don't just make up stuff and spread your false information around like it's fact.

Here are some facts you should know so you can speak with knowledge and have people pay attention to you:

Fact #1: Gospel CD's are more expensive on average than secular CD's.

Fact #2: Copying copyrighted music for others is illegal, and the furtherance of gospel is no justification for breaking that law.

Fact #3: This argument stops here. Be Blessed.

[jnjsmom]

if you bought the cd it is yours.  you CAN do what you want to with it as long as you are not making a profit from it.  you can make copies as long as you don't sell them.

[SisterT]

if you bought the cd it is yours.  you CAN do what you want to with it as long as you are not making a profit from it.  you can make copies as long as you don't sell them.

THis is evidence of why so many people are not successful in life. They simply do not read the information that has already been presented to them and respond out of ignorance. It is sad when Christian do not arm themselves.

People perish for a lack of knowledge.

[playhear]

if you bought the cd it is yours.  you CAN do what you want to with it as long as you are not making a profit from it.  you can make copies as long as you don't sell them.

THis is evidence of why so many people are not successful in life. They simply do not read the information that has already been presented to them and respond out of ignorance. It is sad when Christian do not arm themselves.

People perish for a lack of knowledge.

True, this thread is not an opinion thread. Many folks are simply not getting it.

It's discouraging to spend time on a post, just to find out later that the folks who need to be reading the posts aren't reading the posts. I don't think I could ever be a preacher. I wouldn't have the patience, just being honest.

[vwebster]

We can do some things legally if we're willing to pay a little money.

http://www.ccli.com/Visitors/FAQ.cfm#rehearsal

There is some interesting information on the above link.

[vwebster]

http://www.cmpamusic.org/html/main.isx?sub=19

More links about getting legal.

[vwebster]

(By the way, I also don't issue out typed lyrics of the song. It's a hinderance to memorization):

Hmm, I never thought about that?

1. Work harder at learning a song BEFORE rehearsal. Know all the choir parts and have all parts (Tenor, Alto, Soprano) written out before rehersal. When the choir sees that you are prepared and ready in rehearsal, it will illiminate a lot of "challenging" attitudes.

Excellent, advice. But, what do you do - if you don't do the above really well. We have a tiny church. Our musician has no idea how to do parts, and we don't have a choir director for the adult choir. I'm one of the youth choir directors - and I assure you, if I don't see the music written out, breaking a song into parts is beyond my ability. My husband, the other youth choir director, can --> and is more musically inclined, but says simply we don't have the voices to do parts anyway. We could certainly be more prepared though.

2. Don't rush learning a song. Take your time and teach what the lyrics mean. The choir will better appreciate and comminucate more effectively what they are singing.

Good advice. I "fuss" about this one quite abit. We don't have to learn a song one day and sing it the next. But, I'm usually vetoed. And, I so hate sounding badly.

3. Work with lead singers one on one. Allow them to listen to cds only during the rehearsal time. Encourage them to bring a tape recorder so that they can tape themselves during the rehearsal time. They will have something to listen to and practice with prior to Sunday.

We have got to get more experienced people, somehow.

4. Encourage the choir to strive for excellence. I have taught songs with leads to the choir without them ever listening to a tape. It can be done. You are the leading, you must apply yourself.

So, true.

5. This should have been first..... PRAY, and then pray some more. I really don't believe we in the Music Ministry Pray enough. Pray for God's anointing and guidance.

Perhaps, this gives me a good game plan for Saturday Morning. Thank you.

[4hisglory]

True, this thread is not an opinion thread. Many folks are simply not getting it.

It's discouraging to spend time on a post, just to find out later that the folks who need to be reading the posts aren't reading the posts. I don't think I could ever be a preacher. I wouldn't have the patience, just being honest.

I agree with you Playhear, I dont think I could be a Pastor

I would have more respect for someone that said "Well, I burn CD's ecause I need the music, I know its wrong but I do it anyways".

But when people continue to say ignorant stuff like "Well, I brought it, I can do what I want with it", thats just plain ignorance.

As you can tell, I have little tolerence for people that refuse to educate themselves, God help me.

[playhear]

I would have more respect for someone that said "Well, I burn CD's ecause I need the music, I know its wrong but I do it anyways".

me too, much more respect

[sjonathan02]

(By the way, I also don't issue out typed lyrics of the song. It's a hinderance to memorization):

Hmm, I never thought about that?

1. Work harder at learning a song BEFORE rehearsal. Know all the choir parts and have all parts (Tenor, Alto, Soprano) written out before rehersal. When the choir sees that you are prepared and ready in rehearsal, it will illiminate a lot of "challenging" attitudes.

Excellent, advice. But, what do you do - if you don't do the above really well. We have a tiny church. Our musician has no idea how to do parts, and we don't have a choir director for the adult choir. I'm one of the youth choir directors - and I assure you, if I don't see the music written out, breaking a song into parts is beyond my ability. My husband, the other youth choir director, can --> and is more musically inclined, but says simply we don't have the voices to do parts anyway. We could certainly be more prepared though.

2. Don't rush learning a song. Take your time and teach what the lyrics mean. The choir will better appreciate and comminucate more effectively what they are singing.

Good advice. I "fuss" about this one quite abit. We don't have to learn a song one day and sing it the next. But, I'm usually vetoed. And, I so hate sounding badly.

3. Work with lead singers one on one. Allow them to listen to cds only during the rehearsal time. Encourage them to bring a tape recorder so that they can tape themselves during the rehearsal time. They will have something to listen to and practice with prior to Sunday.

We have got to get more experienced people, somehow.

4. Encourage the choir to strive for excellence. I have taught songs with leads to the choir without them ever listening to a tape. It can be done. You are the leading, you must apply yourself.

So, true.

5. This should have been first..... PRAY, and then pray some more. I really don't believe we in the Music Ministry Pray enough. Pray for God's anointing and guidance.

Perhaps, this gives me a good game plan for Saturday Morning. Thank you.

1. Pray
2. Pray to God and ask Him to stretch you in this area concerning listening to and picking out parts. Remember what is impossible with man is possible with God.
3. Continue to be the voice of reason as it pertains to taking time to learn a song and allowing it to minister to your choir frst so that it can minister to God's people.


Pray this helps.

Jonathan