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Do you think Buring CD's is Wrong ???
« on: October 06, 2005, 12:20:44 PM »
I would like to get everyone's case on burning cd's?

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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2005, 12:25:13 PM »
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I would like to get everyone's case on burning cd's?


Be more specific. For example, I'll buy a CD and then someone may ask if I could copy it for them, and I will. I don't think that's a problem necessarily.
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2005, 12:39:27 PM »
Here's what I do:

My musicians can't go out and buy entire albums for all the different songs that we do, and not all of them read music so buying sheet music doesn't help or else you can't find it. Sooo.

I usually try to think ahead of songs that we will probably try to learn over the next 3 months.  I make a copy of "individual songs" only.  So I may have a CD with 10-12 different songs from different artists. So I don't make a copy of the entire CD.

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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2005, 12:50:41 PM »
i think the people that are healed and delivered from a song that was sung on Sunday morning that was burned(or learned by illegal sheet music) need to be rebuked and casted in the pits of hell

on a serious note... if you like the artist then normally you will support them in what ever way u can(CD T-Shirts Concert)

and once i buy the CD IT IS MINE!!! ... i can do what i want with it...

I hate fact that it seems that the industry is headed toward the "you are paying for the rights to listen to the album" and we will throw in some cover art for free.... with all this CD copy protection stuff

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2005, 12:52:48 PM »
Me personally, If I buy a CD and a friend wants a burned copy, I think I sould not burn it because It's against the law to make copies "UNLESS" specified on the album. 2nd, You are not sowing back into the ministry of the artist that is blessing you and you actually Stealing from them and their ministry. 3rd, if you have money you sould buy it. That's right before the Lord. If I had a cd, I Know I would want someone to buy it not burn. In some case I think you can burn like to give to the church musician to learn a song or something. Or if the CD label specifies a certin amount of burns you can make like on the Mary Mary cd.

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2005, 01:01:49 PM »
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Here's what I do:

My musicians can't go out and buy entire albums for all the different songs that we do, and not all of them read music so buying sheet music doesn't help or else you can't find it. Sooo.

I usually try to think ahead of songs that we will probably try to learn over the next 3 months.  I make a copy of "individual songs" only.  So I may have a CD with 10-12 different songs from different artists. So I don't make a copy of the entire CD.


That's exactly what I did as MOM.
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2005, 01:03:25 PM »
Yea thats a good idea to just burn songs instead of whole cd's for musians

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2005, 01:13:33 PM »
If you don't like it, don't do it.  Why should you buy a whole CD just for like 1 or 2 songs?  That is a waste of money when you can just get the song from someone who already has the CD, or download it from the interntet.  Now, that is only just if you want a couple songs and not the whole album.  If you want the whole album, then i would suggest buying it in the store cuz the quality will be a whole lot better.  I am not knocking anybody for burining CDs, but that is just my preference.
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2005, 02:28:09 PM »
another angry question.. why the never sue the people who make blank cd's...lol or cd burners... we would still be dubbing cassettes if it wasn't for them... :lol:

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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2005, 03:28:58 PM »
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another angry question.. why the never sue the people who make blank cd's...lol or cd burners... we would still be dubbing cassettes if it wasn't for them... :lol:


Lol I was just asking that same question the other day...It's like they don't want you to burn cd's,BUT you can have a pack of 100 cds for 15.00 versus buying just One cd for 19.99....I still think it's wrong to flat out burn a whole cd (although i sometimes do it myself) I still go out and buy that album if I plan on listening to it more than once...Alot of us as musicians are required to learn and listen to various songs so it's sometimes alot easier to just download a song then delete it once you've listened to it and learned it.

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2005, 03:31:19 PM »
BENNIEDM - I'm not going to give you my opinion about the cd burning thing, just the law and what God expects of us as Christians. From there, it's your choice whether to do the right or wrong.

You can read up on copyright info at www.copyright.com . Here are legal answers to what was discussed:

1. It is not illegal if you are burning a copy of a cd you purchased for your own personal use. For example, I buy cds for my kids and burn a copy, so that when they scratch their cd I'll have a back-up.

2. SJONATHAN02 -To burn a cd that you purchased, even if it is one song, to give to another person, including your your church, musicians or choir members breaks copyright laws, is illegal and thusly goes against the principles of God.

3. DREDAKYST - Once you buy a cd, you CANNOT do with it whatever you want. That's why copyright laws are in place. Your purchase only allows you license of fair use.

The blank cds were made with good intentions. For home & studio recording, for mixing personal cds. As always, man will find a way to abuse things.

4. RICHBET - Unless you are mixing the cds from purchases you , what you are doing is illegal too.


Now, I was QUEEN of BOOTLEGGING, so I am not condemning ya'll. I got delivered. I realized that first of all, it is stealing. Stealing is not more valuable than my relationship with God. Secondly, the artists are loosing money because of theives like you and I.

Imagine if someone was stealing a huge portion of your hard earned weekly paycheck...you were suppose to make $5000, but the theives left you with $1000.

Would you sit back and say "I don't see nothing wrong with that?"  

Would you want it to continue happening because you still have enough money to "get by" on?

Most importantly, do you think God is pleased with your behavior...Is God leading you to illegally burn cds OR are you under satanic influence? It's got to be one or the other

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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2005, 03:51:53 PM »
THANKS TO SIS T

That is what I was looking for. As Musicians and Saints of God, We need to do what is Right NOT in our Eyes but what is HOLY unto GOD. WE cannot not treat Holiness like an option but it must be a Standard Feature of our lives.

Sis T. You hit the nail on the head. Thanks so much

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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2005, 04:00:23 PM »
Sis T,

I must admit that I get a gut(spirit) check every time I make a copy for another person of one of my CD's.  Our previous worship leader never made copies of CD's because he was/is and aspiring Christian artist.  When he left and I was designated for the position of worship leader by my pastor, my musicians said that the hardest part about trying to learn the new songs was not having the music.  

So I took the easy (wrong) way out and started making copies of the individual songs.  I struggled feelings about STEALING from the artist who created the song, but also wanted to have an excellent ministry.  And the only way I could see accomplishing that was to make copies of the music.

What have you done as a practical alternative?  You hear a song you want to do in service and you want the musicians to learn it?  What do you do?

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2005, 04:24:03 PM »
I'm glad for SisterT's post. Now, I don't have to waste my time. This thread is not an opinion. SisterT laid down the law. I agree it's correct. You're either breaking the law or you're not. It's up to you.

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2005, 04:30:22 PM »
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Sis T,

I must admit that I get a gut(spirit) check every time I make a copy for another person of one of my CD's. ........ I struggled feelings about STEALING from the artist who created the song, but also wanted to have an excellent ministry.  And the only way I could see accomplishing that was to make copies of the music.

What have you done as a practical alternative?  You hear a song you want to do in service and you want the musicians to learn it?  What do you do?


That statement above  you made, which I bolded made me think, When you don't do things the way God intends for you, you suffer from "limited vision." When we are "under the influence" (satanic) we are blinded to the very thought that there could possibly be a way....especially since this is a God-Given assignment.

When I stopped making copies for the choir, I began applying the following methods (By the way, I also don't issue out typed lyrics of the song. It's a hinderance to memorization):

1. Work harder at learning a song BEFORE rehearsal. Know all the choir parts and have all parts (Tenor, Alto, Soprano) written out before rehersal. When the choir sees that you are prepared and ready in rehearsal, it will illiminate a lot of "challenging" attitudes.

2. Don't rush learning a song. Take your time and teach what the lyrics mean. The choir will better appreciate and comminucate more effectively what they are singing.

3. Work with lead singers one on one. Allow them to listen to cds only during the rehearsal time. Encourage them to bring a tape recorder so that they can tape themselves during the rehearsal time. They will have something to listen to and practice with prior to Sunday.

4. Encourage the choir to strive for excellence. I have taught songs with leads to the choir without them ever listening to a tape. It can be done. You are the leading, you must apply yourself.

5. This should have been first..... PRAY, and then pray some more. I really don't believe we in the Music Ministry Pray enough. Pray for God's anointing and guidance.

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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2005, 04:43:49 PM »
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1. It is not illegal if you are burning a copy of a cd you purchased for your own personal use. For example, I buy cds for my kids and burn a copy, so that when they scratch their cd I'll have a back-up.


That's exactly what I do...except I convert mine to either 128kbps or 192kbps mp3 then put to data cds...so I get several at a time they can all of there instead wasting one CD for a exact backup...maybe you should try it that way..I have over 200 Gospel CDs alond and used about 50 data CDs FOR BACKUP!!  :D  :D  :D
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2005, 05:00:44 PM »
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Quote from: "Madea's Aunt with the vinna sausage in the pocket book for the KIDS"


MadeaT scoots over the veinna sausages and reaches for the peice of steel......she puts it back when she realizes her son, who got "jokes" gave her some good information.!!

Life spared! "Dis time  :lol:  :lol:

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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2005, 05:03:38 PM »
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Quote from: ddw4e
Quote from: "Madea's Aunt with the vinna sausage in the pocket book for the KIDS"


MadeaT scoots over the veinna sausages and reaches for the peice of steel......she puts it back when she realizes her son, who got "jokes" gave her some good information.!!

Life spared! "Dis time  :lol:  :lol:


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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2005, 06:02:19 PM »
Did you know you can buy one song from a cd at Wal-Mart.com and download it for $ 0.88. I'm sure other companies offer the same service,.

I have done this often, when I just needed one song. It's legal and that's another way you can buy a song for a choir member or song leader.

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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2005, 07:15:57 PM »
Sis T I don't have a problem with the copywriting laws....

 I can respect that...

but what I am saying is this:

If I have an Ipod or mp3 player... I should have the right to use my purchase for whatever playing device I choose to use it on...

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One analyst said it best: "The bad thing is that you are almost promoting what you are trying to protect against. You are upsetting the fan that went out and purchased the record. "

Columbia Records act Switchfoot(A Christian-based band), whose latest album, "Nothing Is Sound," is copy-protected recently took copy-protection defiance one step further. Band guitarist Tim Foreman posted on a Sony Music-hosted fan site a link to the software program CDEX, which disables the technology. The post has since been removed.

"We were horrified when we first heard about the new copy-protection policy," Foreman wrote in the September 14 post. "It is heartbreaking to see our blood, sweat and tears over the past two years blurred by the confusion and frustration surrounding new technology."

To add some minor injury to insult, EMI Christian Music Group had to recall copies of "Nothing Is Sound" that were shipped to Christian retailers.  The EMI discs have incorrect DRM settings that do not allow consumers to rip or burn secure tracks.

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/ptech/10/04/music.copy.reut/index.html
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