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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2012, 08:22:04 AM »
Hey Layla, I'm going on the see saw.  I need someone on the other side.  C'mon, join me!

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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2012, 08:26:21 AM »
Hey Layla, I'm going on the see saw.  I need someone on the other side.  C'mon, join me!

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Just don't kick off too hard and make me bang my bottom! :D
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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2012, 08:28:46 AM »
**runs after LL to hop on the see saw**

Just don't kick off too hard and make me bang my bottom! :D
Naw, I've got you by about 100 lbs.  I'll just sit there and let you hang in the air.   :D

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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2012, 08:35:49 AM »
Naw, I've got you by about 100 lbs.  I'll just sit there and let you hang in the air.   :D

Oooooh that was so mean. :(  :P
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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2012, 08:38:04 AM »
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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #45 on: June 19, 2012, 08:43:01 AM »
Oooooh that was so mean. :( :P
Sorry, just having fun.  But, hey, at least it took your mind off of...other things...

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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2012, 08:47:06 AM »
Sorry, just having fun.  But, hey, at least it took your mind off of...other things...

Yes, and now my mind is on being stuck in mid-air terrified of how I'm gonna get down... wondering if you're gonna use this opportunity to get me back for that time I put gum in your chair... just like second grade. :'(


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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2012, 09:05:09 AM »
Yes, and now my mind is on being stuck in mid-air terrified of how I'm gonna get down... wondering if you're gonna use this opportunity to get me back for that time I put gum in your chair... just like second grade. :'(


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You know, I had nearly forgotten that incident- and how I was ridiculed endlessly because I had to go into a business meeting with gum on my booty.  Thanks for the reminder.  Enjoy the view.

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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2012, 06:15:52 AM »
Please answer my question first.
 



Violence Against Women Act established programs to help immigrant women who have been attacked. According to http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/violence-against-women-act-vawa-provides-protections-immigrant-women-and-victims-crime

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Female immigrants are more likely to work in the informal labor market as domestic workers and caretakers and are less able to assert their rights or to be protected under current laws. Immigrant women workers are also vulnerable to rape, sexual abuse and harassment, or other gender-motivated exploitation in the workplace. Some immigrant women are brought to the United States through human trafficking networks and are forced to work under conditions of surveillance, threats of deportation, and physical harm.

In addition, both legal and unauthorized immigrant women may face challenges related to domestic violence, especially if their immigration status depends on an abusive spouse.



i will post more later i want to get to work early today. I plan on posting news articles about

policies at school that are meant to deny illegal immigrants an education that affect legal immigrants
The wait time for a mexican to become a legal immigrant compared to someone from a different country
(if i can find any) news article about immigration arresting people to return to their home country

. and i am sure i will think of some more later.


But to truly answer your question U13 in my opinion the way some (not all) African-americans are oppressing mexican immigrants is by saying nothing or doing nothing. But in the end my time is wasted you already stated you don't care. I guess I will just move on.


Also, I really like Betnich and Savnbass's answer especially the part about speaking english. I personally wouldn't mind if english became the official language of america.



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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2012, 08:20:09 AM »
Mexico, even though in North America and adjacent to the U.S., is a foreign country and has a different basis of government, politics, economy, manufacturing, environmental control etc. than we do. In my mind, the greatest concern relative to Mexican immigration is that if their numbers become too large, they might vote in a manner not in the best interests of the United States, but to the advantage of Mexico.   In certain areas(particularly the Southwest) they would be able to carry elections that relate to their own interests or those that relate to Mexico over and above those of the country as a whole.

I couldn't imagine going to live in Mexico and telling them that they need to teach their public school students in English to accommodate me.

We are not in a position to oppress the Mexicans as a race, and I don't perceive that we would want to.  They are a larger minority than we are, and have always to my memory, been given the same full citizenship privileges as whites. That bothered me in my youth, since blacks who had been vested in America so long and were citizens, paid taxes, fought in wars etc were not afforded the same. That was not their doing though.

I never noticed any animosity from the Mexicans toward blacks. They just seemed to want to make some money, and would do any kind of work to do it. I think that is still true to a great extent. However, the truth of the matter is that the Mexican population would come much closer to impacting negatively on blacks than vice verso. (jobs, etc.)

Politically, we are more often on the same side of the fence because of shared socio-economic reasons.

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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2012, 10:55:00 AM »

Violence Against Women Act established programs to help immigrant women who have been attacked. According to http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/violence-against-women-act-vawa-provides-protections-immigrant-women-and-victims-crime


i will post more later i want to get to work early today. I plan on posting news articles about

policies at school that are meant to deny illegal immigrants an education that affect legal immigrants
The wait time for a mexican to become a legal immigrant compared to someone from a different country
(if i can find any) news article about immigration arresting people to return to their home country

. and i am sure i will think of some more later.


But to truly answer your question U13 in my opinion the way some (not all) African-americans are oppressing mexican immigrants is by saying nothing or doing nothing. But in the end my time is wasted you already stated you don't care. I guess I will just move on.


Also, I really like Betnich and Savnbass's answer especially the part about speaking english. I personally wouldn't mind if english became the official language of america.






1. That link does not show blacks oppressing mexicans.
2. Us Blacks don't even speak up or do anything for ourselves, so i don't know why we would expected to speak up for others.

To answer your question, no I do not believe that ballots should be in spanish. Why do you ask?

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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2012, 07:05:22 PM »
1. That link does not show blacks oppressing mexicans.
2. Us Blacks don't even speak up or do anything for ourselves, so i don't know why we would expected to speak up for others.

To answer your question, no I do not believe that ballots should be in spanish. Why do you ask?

1. agree the link doesn't really show any one race oppressing immigrants nor does it exclude any one race
2. Which is one of my points i discovered from this thread thank you we can't speak up for ourselves nor can we speak up for someone else no wonder the LGBT community is making headway

The reason i asked about the spanish ballot is because it is a sensitive topic for a lot of people. I would ask more question but my point was to crowdsource this question just to see what others thought.

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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2012, 07:41:02 PM »
Black people in America can not be racist. You guys can not name one thing that blacks systematically do that actually oppresses other races of people here in America. All black people do is TALK, white people go further and actually DO. And they do it with a system, something blacks don't have.

I'll make it real plain. If I stand on the corner everyday talking about how I'm gonna shoot and kill a bunch of people, does that make me a murderer? I'm not a murderer until I actually commit an act.

It was a trick. If I said no, he would accuse me of being racist. lol

My brother, circumstances of any kind do not judge whether a person can be racist or not.  Nothing has to be reoccurring in public.  Racism has NOTHING to do with oppression.  Racism is a THOUGHT PROCESS.  Oppression is an ACT of RACISM.  You can be racist in your mind and NEVER exhibit ANY examples or actions of racism.  Just as when the bible speaks on adultery (Matt 5:28), the mere thought is enough without action.  To be honest, black ppl actually do it to Mexicans ALOT (and if you think about it, alot of third world countries).  Just because another race has been dominant over us, it does not give us a "Racism free" card.  Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time, and we even joke about it (the talk you speak of).  From how many ppl they "pack" in their houses, to the Immigrant issue, alot of blacks look at them as an inferior race.  It doesnt have to be negative.  It can be out of sympathy, just as alot of whites used to in early history.  Some felt bad for blacks, didnt have slaves, didnt discriminate, but in their minds it was "Aww, poor black ppl...a shame what they go through".  Its just the thought that your race is superior to another, or that their race is inferior.

@Layla's question about "Why Mexicans? Why not haitians Sudanese,e tc etc etc" Well, they can be discussed next. YOu can't talk about more than one topic at a time. I mean, really. That seems like a silly question to me. Why NOT Mexicans?

Also... Black people can't be racist? If I own a house with a peach tree with branches hanging over the fence and I don't allow the Indian walking down the sidewalk to pick one off because he's Indian, that's racism.

You don't have to be the all-powerful-The-Man to be racist. Come on. Racism doesn't have to be this big organized system headed by the guy in the top of the pyramid. And even if "black 'racists'" just talk, the tongue is a very powerful weapon. Hateful words poison the hearts of those who hear and speak them.

This is just so... maybe it's a matter of semantics... I've always thought racism was defined as discrimination based on race. I did not know it was so complicated.

Even if it's just in your little microcosm, a black owned business, or maybe even just a boarding house, if you give preferential treatment based on race, you are being racist.

Actually, thats discrimination.  You can discriminate and not be racist.  You can also be racist and not discriminate.  Discrimination requires power.  Racism is just a mindset.  Thanks to the army Im VERY well versed in the differences and how ppl intertwine those type words. :)

   
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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2012, 07:46:38 PM »
My brother, circumstances of any kind do not judge whether a person can be racist or not.  Nothing has to be reoccurring in public.  Racism has NOTHING to do with oppression.  Racism is a THOUGHT PROCESS.  Oppression is an ACT of RACISM.  You can be racist in your mind and NEVER exhibit ANY examples or actions of racism.  Just as when the bible speaks on adultery (Matt 5:28), the mere thought is enough without action.  To be honest, black ppl actually do it to Mexicans ALOT (and if you think about it, alot of third world countries).  Just because another race has been dominant over us, it does not give us a "Racism free" card.  Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time, and we even joke about it (the talk you speak of).  From how many ppl they "pack" in their houses, to the Immigrant issue, alot of blacks look at them as an inferior race.  It doesnt have to be negative.  It can be out of sympathy, just as alot of whites used to in early history.  Some felt bad for blacks, didnt have slaves, didnt discriminate, but in their minds it was "Aww, poor black ppl...a shame what they go through".  Its just the thought that your race is superior to another, or that their race is inferior.

Actually, thats discrimination.  You can discriminate and not be racist.  You can also be racist and not discriminate.  Discrimination requires power.  Racism is just a mindset.  Thanks to the army Im VERY well versed in the differences and how ppl intertwine those type words. :)

 

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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2012, 07:57:33 PM »
My brother, circumstances of any kind do not judge whether a person can be racist or not.  Nothing has to be reoccurring in public.  Racism has NOTHING to do with oppression.  Racism is a THOUGHT PROCESS.  Oppression is an ACT of RACISM.  You can be racist in your mind and NEVER exhibit ANY examples or actions of racism.  Just as when the bible speaks on adultery (Matt 5:28), the mere thought is enough without action.  To be honest, black ppl actually do it to Mexicans ALOT (and if you think about it, alot of third world countries).  Just because another race has been dominant over us, it does not give us a "Racism free" card.  Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time, and we even joke about it (the talk you speak of).  From how many ppl they "pack" in their houses, to the Immigrant issue, alot of blacks look at them as an inferior race.  It doesnt have to be negative.  It can be out of sympathy, just as alot of whites used to in early history.  Some felt bad for blacks, didnt have slaves, didnt discriminate, but in their minds it was "Aww, poor black ppl...a shame what they go through".  Its just the thought that your race is superior to another, or that their race is inferior.

Actually, thats discrimination.  You can discriminate and not be racist.  You can also be racist and not discriminate.  Discrimination requires power.  Racism is just a mindset.  Thanks to the army Im VERY well versed in the differences and how ppl intertwine those type words. :)

   

And how does any of that hurt or oppress Mexicans? That is what this thread is about.

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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2012, 08:07:16 PM »
Actually, thats discrimination.  You can discriminate and not be racist.  You can also be racist and not discriminate.

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I typed this exact thing yesterday, then forced myself to delete it, sacrificing my pride and ego's desire to respond... 
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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2012, 08:15:52 PM »
My brother, circumstances of any kind do not judge whether a person can be racist or not.  Nothing has to be reoccurring in public.  Racism has NOTHING to do with oppression.  Racism is a THOUGHT PROCESS.  Oppression is an ACT of RACISM.  You can be racist in your mind and NEVER exhibit ANY examples or actions of racism.  Just as when the bible speaks on adultery (Matt 5:28), the mere thought is enough without action.  To be honest, black ppl actually do it to Mexicans ALOT (and if you think about it, alot of third world countries).  Just because another race has been dominant over us, it does not give us a "Racism free" card.  Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time, and we even joke about it (the talk you speak of).  From how many ppl they "pack" in their houses, to the Immigrant issue, alot of blacks look at them as an inferior race.  It doesnt have to be negative.  It can be out of sympathy, just as alot of whites used to in early history.  Some felt bad for blacks, didnt have slaves, didnt discriminate, but in their minds it was "Aww, poor black ppl...a shame what they go through".  Its just the thought that your race is superior to another, or that their race is inferior.

I don't know if it's fair and accurate to say that "Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time." Maybe a qualifier like "some Blacks"? I honestly can't say that I know any Black people that categorically look down on Mexicans as a specific group. And I've definitely never heard anyone refer to them as inferior.

If you're using the example of joking them, I don't condone making stereotypical jokes, but I won't say that that's "looking down" on them. When I think about looking down, I think about being condescending, arrogant, thinking you're better or acting like you're better. Kinda turning up your nose to people. I can't deny that SOME Black people might do that toward SOME immigrant groups, but I don't think Blacks in general turn up their noses to Mexicans specifically. At least not from what I've ever experienced. I have STRONGGGG opinions about immigration and illegal immigration - no matter where people migrate from - but none of my attitudes or treatment or behavior toward immigrants is condescending. I think that's the case with many, if not most people. Again, not denying that it happens, but I don't think it's as widespread as your post implies.
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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #57 on: June 20, 2012, 09:29:01 PM »
I don't know if it's fair and accurate to say that "Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time." Maybe a qualifier like "some Blacks"? I honestly can't say that I know any Black people that categorically look down on Mexicans as a specific group. And I've definitely never heard anyone refer to them as inferior.

I apologize as I was going with the threads' trend where in reference to race, it wasnt a "Everyone does this" it was a "people of this color participate in" way.  For ex. U13 stated:

2. Us Blacks don't even speak up or do anything for ourselves, so i don't know why we would expected to speak up for others.

Vast generalization (which isnt 100% true), but I figured he was referring to race in general.

If you're using the example of joking them, I don't condone making stereotypical jokes, but I won't say that that's "looking down" on them. When I think about looking down, I think about being condescending, arrogant, thinking you're better or acting like you're better. Kinda turning up your nose to people. I can't deny that SOME Black people might do that toward SOME immigrant groups, but I don't think Blacks in general turn up their noses to Mexicans specifically. At least not from what I've ever experienced. I have STRONGGGG opinions about immigration and illegal immigration - no matter where people migrate from - but none of my attitudes or treatment or behavior toward immigrants is condescending. I think that's the case with many, if not most people. Again, not denying that it happens, but I don't think it's as widespread as your post implies.

Many blacks DO do that sis.  Im speaking mostly from observation.  Its really not specific, as even when I was in Iraq, there was an air of superiority towards the locals, partly because they were poor.  and I agree with the "Some" as I dislike generalizing a whole party (see above lol).  But like I said earlier, it doesnt have to be in an arrogant, "bougie" manner.  Thats just the most easy to recognize.  Thats like when for ex. a white person doesnt believe accusations of someone being racist because they didnt outwardly show anger or disdain ( I use that because its easier to relate).   You are also judging this from a personal standpoint.  Trust me, Im rather quite unless its on things I have experienced.  Ours just differ :).  I still hear it on a regular basis, and Ive lived in 6 states lol.  I may argue stats or opinions, but I dont argue experiences.  I think when something has happened to one for so long, its harder to see that one is now doing some of the same things to another.

And how does any of that hurt or oppress Mexicans? That is what this thread is about.

Your statement said Black ppl in America cant be racist, which is false. 
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Re: Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
« Reply #58 on: June 20, 2012, 10:41:58 PM »


I don't totally disagree with you. Yeah a lot of us my look down on Hispanics, but it does not hurt or oppress them, hence you guys can't give me one example of any such oppression.
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