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Offline betnich

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #120 on: February 11, 2010, 11:44:22 PM »
I think tithing will be a forever divisive issue, one side will never convince the other. My take on it is unless the ENTIRE act of tithing is exercised (read Deuteronomy and Numbers - yes the whole of both books but focus on chapters Dt.12, Dt.14, Dt.26, and Nm.18 to get a good understanding of tithing), we can't take out a piece of tithing and slap people with the dreaded curse in Malachi (Mal wasn't even talking to the nation of Israel, he was addressing the high priests...aahhh digression).

I DO believe we were instructed to give though...see the instructions Paul gave one of the early churches in Corinth. 1 Corinthians 16:2, this is the scripture I base my personal giving from.

agree...give to support your local ministry, whether it's money, talent, volunteer service, or just your presence....

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #121 on: February 12, 2010, 01:34:59 AM »
During the time you are talking about......mosaic or whatever during that time both Christian and secular people payed 10 percent to their God or gods it was part of the law of the land out of respect to their God....The pastor of the church is to get payed come out the old testament and check the new..Its amazing how people talk about the old testament like it simple reading like a drummmers magazine. It takes more than browsing and looking at picture of moses holding a rod and reading the scriptures underneath and coloring in Moses...

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #122 on: February 12, 2010, 01:39:44 AM »
! corithian 9 just because Paul didnt take what was his doesnt make it Law

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #123 on: February 12, 2010, 01:44:07 AM »
As far as Offering or the old testament tithes 1 corithian 16...you pay your yearly moneyfor a drum mag..I guess since we dont c God thts it....

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #124 on: February 12, 2010, 01:50:59 AM »
Last scripture 2 corithian 9 12-15 I think giving money is easier..this is actually talking about serving plus money Christianity takes sacrifice just like anything else..That why they say America aint Christian they just practicing the rituals...

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #125 on: February 12, 2010, 03:24:26 AM »
There's no biblical support for musicians getting paid in today's church. If you're bloodline doesn't trace back to Levi - you're not a Levite. You may have an agreement with your church to get paid to play, but that's all it is...an agreement. Trying to hustle a church into making them pay you based on the "Levitical Order" <--lol, is seriously flawed.

Why we gotta be so deep!? If you want to get paid to play, find a church that pays. If you want to play for free, then play for free! Stay out of the next man's bidness!

I think tithing will be a forever divisive issue, one side will never convince the other. My take on it is unless the ENTIRE act of tithing is exercised (read Deuteronomy and Numbers - yes the whole of both books but focus on chapters Dt.12, Dt.14, Dt.26, and Nm.18 to get a good understanding of tithing), we can't take out a piece of tithing and slap people with the dreaded curse in Malachi (Mal wasn't even talking to the nation of Israel, he was addressing the high priests...aahhh digression).

I DO believe we were instructed to give though...see the instructions Paul gave one of the early churches in Corinth. 1 Corinthians 16:2, this is the scripture I base my personal giving from.

I definitely agree with this.  People should indeed give.

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #126 on: February 12, 2010, 05:55:31 AM »
During the time you are talking about......mosaic or whatever during that time both Christian and secular people payed 10 percent to their God or gods it was part of the law of the land out of respect to their God....The pastor of the church is to get payed come out the old testament and check the new..Its amazing how people talk about the old testament like it simple reading like a drummmers magazine. It takes more than browsing and looking at picture of moses holding a rod and reading the scriptures underneath and coloring in Moses...

! corithian 9 just because Paul didnt take what was his doesnt make it Law

As far as Offering or the old testament tithes 1 corithian 16...you pay your yearly moneyfor a drum mag..I guess since we dont c God thts it....

Last scripture 2 corithian 9 12-15 I think giving money is easier..this is actually talking about serving plus money Christianity takes sacrifice just like anything else..That why they say America aint Christian they just practicing the rituals...

woooowwww....are you serious??? Smh...try again and come back later.

Sheen I gotta admit, Im with you on this one bro!!!

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #127 on: February 12, 2010, 11:05:16 AM »
very serious look it up and yes it is later too so thats why I came back.lol.Duh drumma I not with you....Im with you Sheen  boy stop.......

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #128 on: February 13, 2010, 08:30:15 AM »
very serious look it up and yes it is later too so thats why I came back.lol.Duh drumma I not with you....Im with you Sheen  boy stop.......

Okay, thank you!! I will look that up, when you actually learn how to type, and work on your literacy......smh

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #129 on: February 13, 2010, 11:19:52 AM »
The Jews DO pay+pay+pay tithes today! Some of my friends go to temples that make televangelists look tame! They pay tithes,offerings,special collections and are assessed a yearly "membership "fee.I think a few years ago the figure of 10k was bounced around by some of my friends at a real liberal temple.The messianic Temple that I visit has a 10% minimum.

Don't think any religious group is gonna give a free pass$$$$$,it takes a few scheckles to float the boat

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #130 on: February 13, 2010, 12:20:05 PM »
I mean honestly I see where you are coming from as far as musicians overcharging especially in church, but its sooooo many things you have to take into consideration before you knock somebody for what they are asking as far as payment.  First off the size of the church.  If the you talking about a 50 member church it would be unreasonable to ask for anything over $50 Dollars as a drummer.  Now if you are the worship leader, MD, etc.you can ask and may get a little more because you do more.  Now at larger churches you would "expect" a larger payment, but it doesn't always happen that way there is a such thing as a large disorganized church that doesn't have a budget for there musicians and believe it or not there is churches (big ones) that just don't believe in paying there musicians period.  But in most cases the music director at larger churches that is responsible for evveryything are the ones that make that substantial amount and are on salary that make around 50k a year or even more, but for drummers unless you Calvin Rodgers or somebody your not making that much as a drummer in church for that matter the highest I've heard for a drummer was maybe 200-500.  That's good! But you just so happen to be blessed if you are making that much as a drummer.  I don't want to rain on anybody's parade but drummers come a dime a dozen.  The value of a drummer is not as high as it is for a music director or worship leader etc.  Some churches would rather let a child learn how to play then to pay you $100 a Sunday and go into debt.  Sorry that's just the honest truth.  This isn't the case with larger numbers, but the question is would you rather ask a church for your worth and risk not playing at all or will you be reasonable and work within there budget.  Whats more important your gift or getting paid for your gift? I defiantly don't agree with that get a part-time job crap though.  If you want to be a working musician full-time its possible, but realistically speaking you can't rely on the church to be your main source of income, you have to have several gigs outside of the church.  You are only as limited as you allow yourself to be. As far as the church goes or any band, when someone asks you how much you charge it is 9 times out of 10 a trick question! Real talk.  On a professional level that's not a legit question anyway because there are soo many variables.  What do you need? What is your budget? How many rehearsals? Professionals that need musicians come in to the equation knowing what they want what they need and their means of spending.  In other words they have a budget and most of the time "TELL YOU WHAT YOU ARE GETTING PAID."  The more details the better, but if somebody just flat out asks you how much will you charge to play at their church and you say a number before you ask how big the church is or the budget you are clearly new to this.  There is not a such thing as getting paid your worth so stop asking for it, real talk. People are full time musicians because they love what they do.  All the great drummers and musicians we look up to aren't millionaires or making it rain, but they love what they do and are well off and successful.  Nothing wrong with getting paid to play in church, but professionals don't overcharge as they aren't looking for a little church gig to pay the bills anyway.  You get to a certain point in your career where gigs come to you not the other way around.  I'm not there yet, but I'd rather get paid $25 dollars a Sunday and be "PLAYING" then asking for $100 and be sitting at home on Sundays or at somebody else church in the crowd.  Its much bigger than us its a worship experience, its a team effort.  When you guys first started playing in church did you want to get paid? NOOO. You didn't care.  So what's the different just because you are wayy more busier on the drums now, and maybe a little better than you were at 8 you want to get paid?  Or because you found out you can get paid now you want a piece? Grow up people.  This is church, not a gig, when people stop looking at it that way this discussion will be null and void.  God Bless LGM!       
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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #131 on: February 13, 2010, 06:09:27 PM »
As far as "Levites",don't miss the point that we are "ingrafted"as "seed"of Abraham.You can be "legalistic" and look for a paper trail back to LEVI,or can just understand what WORD says.

Also,the same "church" that wants/expects you be a slave +play your butt off,have all the "right stuff" will look down their self -righteous pointed nose if you take a club gig.If you are a musician,and have a marketable skill-it's okay to play for pay/pay for free as LORD allows.

There's such a thing as "church" and ANOTHER thing that is the "BODY".The church is full of crap,disputes,evil,attitudes,+sin.The BODY,is the true example of folks letting CHRIST live HIS LIFE thru them.despite them-whether in the building or in the streets.

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #132 on: February 13, 2010, 08:54:37 PM »
Da  Gay Drumma....Sorry bout the spelling it was 2 am my time when i was typing........May God continue to Bless your drumming...where you stay brah would like to meet you? Enjoy your playing more than your mouth......Keep up the good work.......By the way how can I contact you. I got a gig coming up for you?IM your info address and bio. God Bless you Brah........Shalom.......

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #133 on: February 13, 2010, 09:11:37 PM »
Da  Gay Drumma....Sorry bout the spelling it was 2 am my time when i was typing........May God continue to Bless your drumming...where you stay brah would like to meet you? Enjoy your playing more than your mouth......Keep up the good work.......By the way how can I contact you. I got a gig coming up for you?IM your info address and bio. God Bless you Brah........Shalom.......

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #134 on: February 13, 2010, 09:20:56 PM »
I was thinking the same thing!!Rather talk in person....Trash talk on here is just waste of typing so tell the Da Gay Drumma that>>>>>>Look up Gay.......lol......Dont make comments like that................Lolllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllll!

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #135 on: February 13, 2010, 09:33:38 PM »
When you read you have to know the meaning of the author before making judgement.....or you reading the material out of context......hermenutics something like that or exergesis something to that magnitude..........

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #136 on: February 13, 2010, 11:19:06 PM »
I was thinking the same thing!!Rather talk in person....Trash talk on here is just waste of typing so tell the Da Gay Drumma that>>>>>>Look up Gay.......lol......Dont make comments like that................Lolllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllll!

Uh...can we speak English here? Or at least pray for an interpretation???   ?/?

Also,the same "church" that wants/expects you be a slave +play your butt off,have all the "right stuff" will look down their self -righteous pointed nose if you take a club gig.If you are a musician,and have a marketable skill-it's okay to play for pay/pay for free as LORD allows.

So true. Many places, if you play in church and have a secular job it's all good - UNLESS that job is playing music. Then you are OUT. Which means you play for little or nothing in the church, and are disqualified from doing even that if you dare use your talent elsewhere. Truly a Lose/Lose situation...

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #137 on: February 14, 2010, 01:53:55 AM »
Uh...can we speak English here? Or at least pray for an interpretation???   ?/?


seems like Gospel musicians have the worst grammar. I even see it on facebook with the popular musicians, they always try to post something deep and philosophical, but look stupid because they cant write for nothing. Rant over.

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #138 on: February 14, 2010, 01:54:50 AM »
Bet nicca I speak English its my six language I apologize.I am still learning. How well do you read and write other languages other that your own.

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Re: I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?
« Reply #139 on: February 14, 2010, 08:57:26 AM »
A sponge, idk where you're from, but now in America when someone says "gay" it rarely means "happy".
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