A controversial question- to those who are in a relationship or married

[chevonee]

Lets not try to make this conversation out of something that its not, read the Word for yourself and interpret it as you see fit. If you need therapy get therapy...do whatever you want but God is not going to allow anyone to get away with continuing to sin. Thats all WJ and I are saying.

[w42879]

Lets not try to make this conversation out of something that its not, read the Word for yourself and interpret it as you see fit. If you need therapy get therapy...do whatever you want but God is not going to allow anyone to get away with continuing to sin. Thats all WJ and I are saying.

Exactly Chevonne. If you read the scriptures that we just went over there is no way in the world to misunderstand what we're saying because we're merely saying what God has already said. I'm out---WJ

[godsbassman2000]

Lets not try to make this conversation out of something that its not, read the Word for yourself and interpret it as you see fit. If you need therapy get therapy...do whatever you want but God is not going to allow anyone to get away with continuing to sin. Thats all WJ and I are saying.

Did you read my posts? I have not once condoned continuing a life of sin. Even the bible itself makes a distinction between the occassional sin and the practice of sin.

1 John 2 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright ? 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

   

1 John 2
1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense?Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for[a] the sins of the whole world.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (New King James Version)


New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright ? 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

 
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God

[chevonee]

Did you read my posts? I have not once condoned continuing a life of sin. Even the bible itself makes a distinction between the occassional sin and the practice of sin.

1 John 2 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright ? 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

   

1 John 2
1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense?Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for[a] the sins of the whole world.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (New King James Version)


New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright ? 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

 
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God

No one is jumping on your case man. We all agree that sin can not go unpunished...so what is the problem? There is no need to get upset about anything because no one said that you condoned sin.

[w42879]

No one is jumping on your case man. We all agree that sin can not go unpunished...so what is the problem? There is no need to get upset about anything because no one said that you condoned sin.

I agree Chevonne. There should be no problem as long as we are saying what God has already said--WJ

[godsbassman2000]

No one is jumping on your case man. We all agree that sin can not go unpunished...so what is the problem? There is no need to get upset about anything because no one said that you condoned sin.

Lets not try to make this conversation out of something that its not, read the Word for yourself and interpret it as you see fit. If you need therapy get therapy...do whatever you want but God is not going to allow anyone to get away with continuing to sin. Thats all WJ and I are saying.

After this I'll be done. What did you mean by the above statement?

[pastors4jesus3]

Now that's what I'm talking about!! Whenever I say something its based on my own experience. I was once entangled in adultery and I know that had I avoided putting myself in a bad position that I wouldn't have been overtaken by it.

Proverbs 5:1-8 [Amplified Bible]
1 MY SON, be attentive to my Wisdom [godly Wisdom learned by actual and costly experience], and incline your ear to my understanding [of what is           becoming and prudent for you],
2 That you may exercise proper discrimination and discretion and your lips may guard and keep knowledge and the wise answer [to temptation].

3 For the lips of a loose woman drip honey as a honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil;(A)

4 But in the end she is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged and devouring sword.

5 Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold of Sheol (Hades, the place of the dead).

6 She loses sight of and walks not in the path of life; her ways wind about aimlessly, and you cannot know them.

7 Now therefore, my sons, listen to me, and depart not from the words of my mouth.

8 Let your way in life be far from her, and come not near the door of her house [avoid the very scenes of temptation],(B)

Walking in sin is knowing that you have a problem with alcohol but you still go to a bar. You know you have a lust problem but you watch things that you know that you shouldn't watch....An excuse is when you continue to sin but you fail to seek God to correct that problem. God has the power to help us overcome anything that we want to overcome...God is bigger than any problem or any habit...we just have to quit magnifying the problem and magnify God. When God is bigger the problem is smaller....when the problem is bigger, God is smaller.

This is where my marriage failed. I continued to appologize but I didn't change inside. God cares more about what's hidden than he does about what appears in the open. I preached in public and shouted but behind closed doors I was cheating on my wife and blaming her. My wife loved me and she treated me the way the Bible said a husband should be treated but I took her love for granted. Sin is worth it until the result comes about.


Pastor Robison

[w42879]

This is where my marriage failed. I continued to appologize but I didn't change inside. God cares more about what's hidden than he does about what appears in the open. I preached in public and shouted but behind closed doors I was cheating on my wife and blaming her. My wife loved me and she treated me the way the Bible said a husband should be treated but I took her love for granted. Sin is worth it until the result comes about.


Pastor Robison

I experienced the same thing Pastor Robison.

No one is jumping on your case man. We all agree that sin can not go unpunished...so what is the problem? There is no need to get upset about anything because no one said that you condoned sin.

Lets not try to make this conversation out of something that its not, read the Word for yourself and interpret it as you see fit. If you need therapy get therapy...do whatever you want but God is not going to allow anyone to get away with continuing to sin. Thats all WJ and I are saying.

After this I'll be done. What did you mean by the above statement?

At the end of the day the only thing that all of us need to understand is that God's Word is the only thing that matters. Neither Chevonne or myself, intended to insult you or anyone else. You may think or do whatever the Lord leads you to do, please don't think that we're trying to change you. Again, we can only speak from our own experience, how can that possibly be an issue?

[chevonee]

Godsbassman what God says is all that should concern you and I and everyone else. Again no one ever said that Godsbassman is condoning sin....and I don't know where that came from. All I know is what I did and the price I paid as a result.

This is where my marriage failed. I continued to appologize but I didn't change inside. God cares more about what's hidden than he does about what appears in the open. I preached in public and shouted but behind closed doors I was cheating on my wife and blaming her. My wife loved me and she treated me the way the Bible said a husband should be treated but I took her love for granted. Sin is worth it until the result comes about.


Pastor Robison

Well said Pastor Robison. Thank you for sharing your story with us....I believe that this is what's going to make the difference. Our experience is what's going to help people know the power of God...and how he can help us overcome anything... IF WE LET HIM!!!!

[godsbassman2000]

I experienced the same thing Pastor Robison.


At the end of the day the only thing that all of us need to understand is that God's Word is the only thing that matters. Neither Chevonne or myself, intended to insult you or anyone else. You may think or do whatever the Lord leads you to do, please don't think that we're trying to change you. Again, we can only speak from our own experience, how can that possibly be an issue?

I believe since we were speaking from our experience, some things that were said could not be fully understood by one another. Our experience with the Lord and His word just speaks differently to us.

This kinda reminds me of marriage. We say the same thing a different way, go round and round, just to discover we were pretty much saying the same thing.

I still love you both, and, based on this conversation, we'll "do it again"! (In love).

Peace,
Greg

[godsbassman2000]

Godsbassman what God says is all that should concern you and I and everyone else. Again no one ever said that Godsbassman is condoning sin....and I don't know where that came from.

I think we were saying the same thing. There seem to have been a disagreement where there is none.
It could've been me. If so, it'll probably happen again! 
When I get worked up, sometimes my ears shut down! 

Thanks to you and w42879 for continuing the dialogue to resolution!


 All I know is what I did and the price I paid as a result.
Well said Pastor Robison. Thank you for sharing your story with us....I believe that this is what's going to make the difference. Our experience is what's going to help people know the power of God...and how he can help us overcome anything... IF WE LET HIM!!!!

[dwest2419]

As a person who's been delivered from this type of thing I can say that one must be willing to catch it before it blows up in your face. I was preaching, shouting and teaching but behind closed doors, I was addicted to porn. It took me 10 years to build it, but only a matter of seconds to ruin it.

God is faithful and just to forgive us and cleans us of all unrighteousness but we must be willing to admit it and not make excuses for such an act. I don't care what is happening in our lives we have absolutely no right to indulge in such fleshly foolishness. Now that I have owned up to the problem, I have been free for more than 4 years it is still a struggle. I had to decide to avoid the very appearance of evil. It starts small and then it develops into something that you wouldn't imagine. The devil can sugar coat it and make it look enticing but after you get caught, he laughs at you and tell you how foolish you were for falling into the trap that he set.

It's not worth it


Pastor Robison

Sorry for bringing up this topic. But, your word gave me encouragement!

The thing that I hate is: when you know you have gotten delivered from something, and you start to commit yourself to God by living right. But, along the way you have people who you see in the world do the stuff that you have gotten delivered from, and it seems sometimes that they almost try to impose it back on you again or do it on purposely. Because you don't want to go back in bondage again being bound from something that God has delivered you from. Well, they may haven't meant to do it intentionally, or may have not even known that they offended you by there actions. But, maybe they don't know that there being blinded by there sin, and being influenced by the enemy.

I mean the enemy sure know our weak points. If he can't get you to sin in the area where you have gotten victory over him anymore, than he'll use against you on what he had success at in the very beginning, by getting you to sin, and to fall & stumble. Once he have gotten you in the area where he's good at, then he goes up to God and say: "see God I told you he wasn't perfect, he wasn't upright, he ain't holy I got him to sin." He's the accuser of the brethren, this is what he does, and he's good at! But, I thank God for his grace & mercy, and his precious blood he shed for us on calvary. That without the shedding of the blood there can be no remission for sins. One scripture I can think of that comes to mind is...

1 Peter 3:17-18

17: For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18: And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

[georgiagurl]

Dis right here iz a good subject Vonne. I bleeve dat its alots of people dat carry around secret sin and dis will help em know that God can restore our soul. It take a lots of guts to own up to thang like dis too so be blessed--Pastor Robison, w42879, and all a yall.