An "Advanced" Player.....

[HumbleGospelDrummer]

Wassup fam.  Ive just been wondering, what does it take to be an advanced player?  What things do i have to know?  What are the qualifications?  Reason is so i can nail these standards and then some by the end of the year.  I cant really explain my skills but as for knowledge, so far I:

*Have a nice understanding of note values
*Can read music decently, i still need help though in some areas
*Know my role of the drumset and how to serve to music(decently)
*Have a decent of the anatomy of the drumset itself(shells, how to tune, plys, etc. that good stuff)
*I know my rudiments but am still incorporating them on the kit

Err.......i cant think of anything else at the moment, im pretty tired but responses will be greatly appreciated.  Note:  Hopefully ill have another clip up in about a week, just look for that "Viewers Discretion is Advised" thread.  And just for a heads up i was kinda uncomfortable with the setup on the kit that I was playing on plz take that into consideration.

[HumbleGospelDrummer]

Thanks for the replies i appreciate it

[j_kay]

While there are many opinions on this, some that I can quickly touch on are as follows:

- High level of proficiency as it relates to four way independence/coordination
- High level of proficiency with the various grips
- High level of proficiency with drawing various nuances from your cymbals/drums

High level of proficiency...  You see where I'm going with this, right?  You need to upgrade your 'decent(ly)', 'nice' and, 'still incorporating' level to 'highly proficient'.   

[theLearner]

I don't know i should be talking since I'm not advance but,

I guess if you know your role on the kit, you are rudimentally sound around the kit, got sound technique
You know where and when to place things (phrasing), and you are proficient with other genres of music, and you can be musical too

I'd say you are either advanced, or approaching that status

There are other things too (like listening skills, dynamics, confidence, etc)

[HumbleGospelDrummer]

While there are many opinions on this, some that I can quickly touch on are as follows:

- High level of proficiency as it relates to four way independence/coordination
- High level of proficiency with the various grips
- High level of proficiency with drawing various nuances from your cymbals/drums

High level of proficiency...  You see where I'm going with this, right?  You need to upgrade your 'decent(ly)', 'nice' and, 'still incorporating' level to 'highly proficient'.   

Gotcha, thanks j_kay.  Ill definately have the first, due to SKs thread on independence(i already see results).  Now the second is what im going to have the most trouble on.......but i guess thats nothing that Jo Jo's DVD wont fix(havent bought it yet).

[HumbleGospelDrummer]

I don't know i should be talking since I'm not advance but,

I guess if you know your role on the kit, you are rudimentally sound around the kit, got sound technique
You know where and when to place things (phrasing), and you are proficient with other genres of music, and you can be musical too

I'd say you are either advanced, or approaching that status

There are other things too (like listening skills, dynamics, confidence, etc)

Thanks for the reply.  Man ive been yearnin' to learn some jazz but theres nobody in my area that can help yo.....

[bigblackdrummer]

There's no such thing as an "Advanced" player. Even the guys who we all think are masters will tell you no they are not. But an "Advanced" anything means in some way they or its ahead of the rest, what gets you there....Share dedication to your craft and making it yours.

[BEATBOXERZ II]

There's no such thing as an "Advanced" player. Even the guys who we all think are masters will tell you no they are not. But an "Advanced" anything means in some way they or its ahead of the rest, what gets you there....Share dedication to your craft and making it yours.

I agreed... I'm still learning N.J. and I'm alot older than you. Once you think you know it all "ADVANCE" then you'll lose focus on improving. Just keep playing and learning. I label myself as a pro/advance , but I'm still learning.

[BEATBOXERZ II]

Oh, I forgot to tell you that the last post was from me BEATBOXERZ, I'm logged on my oldest son user ID...

[HumbleGospelDrummer]

Thanks BBD and Beat.  Ill change that one year resolution to 4-5 to label myself as a Advanced player like Beat said.   

[HumbleGospelDrummer]

Thanks BBD and Beat.  Ill change that one year resolution to 4-5 to label myself as a Advanced player like Beat said.   

Or more.............nah matter of fact ill post a vid. then and let you all judge about the "label".

[JFunky]

Or more.............nah matter of fact ill post a vid. then and let you all judge about the "label".

...dude, work on your weaknesses and quit playing around thinking about labels and whatnot.  Don't get caught up in that stuff.  Focus on the Music and what you need to do to become a better Musician.  Geesh.

...start hanging around and playing with Veteran Musicians and you'll see how you'll become better. 

*Get to work*

[Audiocr381ve]

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[Audiocr381ve]

My main goal is to continue to stay creative, and to stop thinking inside of the box of what's acceptable to people. A perfect example of someone doing this that we all know is Thomas Pridgen. Completely natural and so creative.

John Bonham was by no means the best drummer in the world, but he was completely natural behind the kit. He did EXACTLY what the music needed. That's why Led Zepplin is still, after how many years one of the biggest bands out there. Zepplin's music was so sloppy but that's what made it PERFECT.

My point is, I want to strive to feel natural and to be honest behind the kit. To me, a great player FEELS what needs to be done and executes consistently and creatively.

We are never gonna please everybody. There will always be a critic. Someone will always think there is someone better. I heard a kid say that Dave Weckl has no groove the other day. What I'm saying is, lets adjust our goals and get our eyes off speed, chops, and titles. 

[JFunky]

My main goal is to continue to stay creative, and to stop thinking inside of the box of what's acceptable to people. A perfect example of someone doing this that we all know is Thomas Pridgen. Completely natural and so creative.

John Bonham was by no means the best drummer in the world, but he was completely natural behind the kit. He did EXACTLY what the music needed. That's why Led Zepplin is still, after how many years one of the biggest bands out there. Zepplin's music was so sloppy but that's what made it PERFECT.

My point is, I want to strive to feel natural and to be honest behind the kit. To me, a great player FEELS what needs to be done and executes consistently and creatively.

We are never gonna please everybody. There will always be a critic. Someone will always think there is someone better. I heard a kid say that Dave Weckl has no groove the other day. What I'm saying is, lets adjust our goals and get our eyes off speed, chops, and titles. 

...yeah man.  I agree with you. 100%  The Bohnam comment is very true.  I know Zepp Worshipers would torture you for that one but it's the friggin' truth.

Oh yeah, next time you see that kid....give him this link so he can shut up and grow up.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=j3WzxgeqKNY

[Audiocr381ve]

You're tellin me.

It was one of the best clips of him playing when I heard the comment.

[eugenio]

i think a good drummer is able to communicate on the instrument.

[drummin4JC]

i think a good drummer is able to communicate on the instrument.

What do you mean?

[Audiocr381ve]

LOL

You know what he means man!

[drummin4JC]

LOL

You know what he means man!