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The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« on: October 09, 2007, 09:35:10 PM »
We all know that Spanky, Chris Dave, and a few other drummers from the philly area
have had an immense impact on gospel drummers around the country (ppl like us)
I just wanted to post a vid that would divulge how far this impact is spreading
and just for yall to have somethin to look at and ruminate over (im sure we have all thought about this but who cares.....i wanted to post sumthin lol

This is some character on youtube I found.....heavy spanky influence man...
(yes chris dave influence is heavily seen, but spanky brought what he had to gospel harder)



and this is Jdrew.....(audio on page)
www.myspace.com/detroitdrummaboy

what aspects of this style are significant in this sound? (i.e. placement, phrasing)


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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2007, 09:45:17 PM »
Chris Dave, and a few other drummers from the philly area....

Chris Dave is from Houston, Texas. GB.
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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2007, 09:51:14 PM »
That boy is nice...

I dont care what anybody says, to be able to take someone else's style and play them just as good as good is a good talent to have.

It's good to be a sponge, that way you have a little bit of everyone in you when you play.
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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2007, 10:01:33 PM »
Chris Dave is from Houston, Texas. GB.
i know.....dude....
thanks though  ;)
i was just including him in the influence

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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2007, 10:03:32 PM »
That boy is nice...

I dont care what anybody says, to be able to take someone else's style and play them just as good as good is a good talent to have.

It's good to be a sponge, that way you have a little bit of everyone in you when you play.

i agree...not everyone can't have a "ME" sound.....

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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2007, 10:35:26 PM »
That boy is nice...

I dont care what anybody says, to be able to take someone else's style and play them just as good as good is a good talent to have.

It's good to be a sponge, that way you have a little bit of everyone in you when you play.


i agree...not everyone can't have a "ME" sound.....

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I'm getting a headache trying to understand what you're saying theLearner...

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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2007, 12:32:33 AM »
... don't have a complete understanding of what it is you're saying, but I'll try to makes sense of what you're saying...

I believe that you're speaking to the "new sound" that drummers are coming up with in the gospel world. To understand a cat like Chris Dave, you must first know where he is drawing his influences from.  Chris Dave is HEAVILY rooted in the bebop culture.  His influences that he credits are Tony Williams and Elvin Jones.  He even stated in the Roy Haynes issue of Modern Drummer a couple years back that he got off on playin Elvin licks in funk/r&b settings.  Chris also has a strong tie to the electronic and drum&bass stlyes of music.  That music is about manipulating a simple beat and turning it into something else.  With those influences in place, he naturally draws from the funk/r&b/hip hop becase thats what the music of his era is (so to speak) as well as strong ties to raggae music. 

In a nutshell, Chris has a ginormous tie to the history of the music and can draw from any of these at a moments notice.  He can do this because he has put in the time in the shed.  Period.

As far as Spank is concerned, I personally hear a lot of Chris's influence on his playing.  Since the first time I heard him on a Tye Tribbett bootleg from 2004-2005.  Weather or not he is/was heavily marked by him, his thinking is truly outside the box.  I honestly know very little about his major influences outside of Brizz, Gerald, and Lil John.  I believe that i read that he played jazz in high school in his article in MD this year (not 100% sure because I can't dig thru my back issues right now), but it wouldn't surprise me.  I say that because of the way he plays.  Also, Tye's band has a strong tie to the fusion bands of the 70's.  I hear it in his arrangements and their jams.  One must be a true musician to play with Tye.  Its no joke the stuff he does.  No smoke and mirrors with him.... Just straight music. 

Hope this isn't too far off of your original point.   :-\
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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2007, 12:47:01 AM »
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I'm getting a headache trying to understand what you're saying theLearner...

lol sorry,
i was just tryna say that it is hard to develop your own distinct sound in a
world of drumming influences everywhere
sooo its ok to be a "sponge" as hotsticks1 says....
sorry, my response was kinda confusing

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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2007, 04:27:34 AM »
Yeeeeah...

Well, he can play.





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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2007, 04:31:56 AM »
That boy is nice...

I dont care what anybody says, to be able to take someone else's style and play them just as good as good is a good talent to have.

It's good to be a sponge, that way you have a little bit of everyone in you when you play.

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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2007, 11:29:36 AM »
He can do the stuff. But if I spent all my time mimicking someone else instead of spending that same time coming up with my own way of doing things, I could do all of Chris Dave, Spanky, and Chris Coleman's stuff, too. There is nothing under the sun that we can't imitate if we put the time to it. I would just rather spend that time perfecting "me".

He can do the stuff, but much of it was lick-for-lick Chris and Spanky. I'm not impressed with a picture of a car. . . especially after I've ridden in the car.
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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2007, 11:32:57 AM »
He can do the stuff. But if I spent all my time mimicking someone else instead of spending that same time coming up with my own way of doing things, I could do all of Chris Dave, Spanky, and Chris Coleman's stuff, too. There is nothing under the sun that we can't imitate if we put the time to it. I would just rather spend that time perfecting "me".

He can do the stuff, but much of it was lick-for-lick Chris and Spanky. I'm not impressed with a picture of a car. . . especially after I've ridden in the car.

Exactly. WHY spend so much time mimicking other people? To me, that is a royal waste of time.

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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2007, 11:39:04 AM »
I don't know the benefit of being able to sound exactly like Spanky. From what I have noticed about Spanky although he has those who influence his drummer, he still has taken time to find his own style. I think that's what everybody has to do to get the Spanky/Chris Dave effect. I saw J Drew do something and when I saw it I said that sounds like something Spanky did.... :-\. Dude is nice none the less.
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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2007, 12:05:28 PM »
the first dude wasnt trying to hide his influences or what he was trying to do.. he wrote down his agenda ... trying to cope licks and expand.
Maybe, while he was using their licks as a catalyst, he was able to come up with something that was unique to his style. who knows?
The first dude was good, but i didnt like the sound of his kit.. $.02
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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2007, 02:33:19 PM »
He can do the stuff. But if I spent all my time mimicking someone else instead of spending that same time coming up with my own way of doing things, I could do all of Chris Dave, Spanky, and Chris Coleman's stuff, too. There is nothing under the sun that we can't imitate if we put the time to it. I would just rather spend that time perfecting "me".

He can do the stuff, but much of it was lick-for-lick Chris and Spanky. I'm not impressed with a picture of a car. . . especially after I've ridden in the car.
right and the crazy thing about chris and the thing i love most about what spanky does is application.... where he puts what he puts within the musical direction and within the "count" is what makes the stuff so sick... at least to me... cuz a lot of people are able to to the spanky stuff but what makes spanky different a lot of times is his placement.....
don't get me wrong the dude is good... but.... can he apply it in a musical situation correctly and tastefully.....???
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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2007, 02:40:07 PM »
but what makes spanky different a lot of times is his placement....

I think that is what makes all of us different when it comes to drumming....GB.
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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2007, 04:20:29 PM »
I think that is what makes all of us different when it comes to drumming....GB.
not really.... cuz MOST of us- including myself- don't place things too much differently than the next person or previous person we heard/learned from.... at least not different enough....... most of the time spanky's difference is clear and noticeable....

yeah we all have our own variations and different placement....but it's like a line of people could all have t shirts on but all have different colors . it's still the same t-shirt just slight differences... vs. one or two people in the line with colored polos on....... there is an even more noticeable difference...... that is sort of what i mean........
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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2007, 05:13:31 PM »
what i would say makes us all different is:

1. individual development of groove (pocket, musical application etc.)
2. style of groove and phrasing
3. then placement (which as said above, sometimes isn't too different from one person to the next)

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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2007, 05:18:09 PM »
what i would say makes us all different is:

1. individual development of groove (pocket, musical application etc.)
2. style of groove and phrasing
3. then placement (which as said above, sometimes isn't too different from one person to the next)

I'm still having the hardest time understanding what direction your original post is heading...  ?/?  What is your point?
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Re: The Spanky/Chris Dave effect......
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2007, 06:37:36 PM »
I'm still having the hardest time understanding what direction your original post is heading...  ?/?  What is your point?

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