a rare progression post from The mind of Diverse advanced intermediate level

[diverse379]

excuse the dramatic title
its really not that deep

but I was experimenting with using diminished chords to connect my chords within a key

this is should be practiced in every key

it is full of approach tones and 2 - 5 -1  progressions

and i think the voicing is pretty good


part of them are my own invention some are things I learned from Pj morgan tape
and eddie howard dvd

and some sebastians new dvd

pay attention to the count i list for each chord
because this is how you will get the phrasing correct

this is a 7-3-6-2-5-1- 4
progression be sure to fill in the chords with some melodic finger work in your right hand
appegiate the notes in the right hand add some higer notes melody fills

BP/LH/RH
2 beats  G/FG/BbDBb
2 beats  C/EG/BbDbEG
4 beats  F/EbAb/CEbFAb
2 beats  G/BbE/DbEGBb
2 beats  A/EbA/EbGbAC
4 beats  Bb/FAbBb/FAbBbDb
4 beats  Eb/FGBb/FGBbDb
4 beats  Ab/GBbC/EbAbC
2 beats  E/D#G#/
2 beats  D/C#F#/
4 beats  Db/DbFAb/CEbAb


i didnt add right hand chords to the two passing chords which pass to the
Db chord because i wanted to leave it open to interpretation

now you dont have to do that movement to the Db you can walk up to it from the Bb C and do the Db # 5 move we all hear all the time resolving to the Db 6/9

for example

1 beat Ab/AbAB/CGC
1 beat  Bb/BbBb/DbAbDb
1 beat  C/CC/EbBbEb
2 beat  Db/DbEb/FAF---
2 beat  Db/DbBb/FBbF


the last two chords have a little movement to it to make it work

the left hand plays Eb,C,Eb Db
while the right  plays in between the octaves  C, A, C, Bb
so you have F octaves held by th thumb and pinky while the middle and ring fingers play the D C C Bb
along with the left hand which is playing Eb.C, Eb,Bb

I hope you like this progression

another thing that sounds cool is to do another 7-3-6 but now in Db

and this will bring you to Bbmin
and you can use this chord to do a 2 - 1 back to Ab


I hope you can get some use out of this

play this in every key

and you will have a strong progression that iwll allow you to function in every key


when transposing think left to right

in other words think about the half steps and how far each finger has to move to go to the next chord

if you do it this way you will be transposing with less think


 

[porkpiepoppa]

wow... your the best "beginner" ive ever met man you gotta keep these changes coming man that was BEAUTIFUL!! thanks and god bless imma steal this from you if u dont mind

[diverse379]

It figures a drummer would respond first
because the timing of these chords are soooooooo important

thanks for the compliments

i will try to share as much as I can as God gives it i will share it

[porkpiepoppa]

drummer? what an insult! lol i havnt been in the drummer forum for 2 whole days!! lol im tryna hang out with you guys now! but real talk i liked those chords man

[musiqisme26]

ima check these out at rehearsal

[bug]

Yes this is a minor third cycle.  It is a good bass cycle for practicing your voicings also.

You are of course familiar with the 4th/5th cycle, however there are 6 more cycles possible.  After you understand those cycles well you can mix the cycles and move in mixed direction. This is by far the easiest way to play and understand progressions.

Most changes are either chromatic, cycle of 5ths or cycle of minor thirds.

You are always either a 5th, 3rd or 2nd from your next change. You have to always ask your self:  Where am I, Where did the last chord come from and Where am I going.

Always simplify and remember if it looks hard or confusing, you are looking at it wrong.

brother scott

[chevonee]

excuse the dramatic title
its really not that deep

but I was experimenting with using diminished chords to connect my chords within a key

this is should be practiced in every key

it is full of approach tones and 2 - 5 -1  progressions

and i think the voicing is pretty good


part of them are my own invention some are things I learned from Pj morgan tape
and eddie howard dvd

and some sebastians new dvd

pay attention to the count i list for each chord
because this is how you will get the phrasing correct

this is a 7-3-6-2-5-1- 4
progression be sure to fill in the chords with some melodic finger work in your right hand
appegiate the notes in the right hand add some higer notes melody fills

BP/LH/RH
2 beats  G/FG/BbDBb
2 beats  C/EG/BbDbEG
4 beats  F/EbAb/CEbFAb
2 beats  G/BbE/DbEGBb
2 beats  A/EbA/EbGbAC
4 beats  Bb/FAbBb/FAbBbDb
4 beats  Eb/FGBb/FGBbDb
4 beats  Ab/GBbC/EbAbC
2 beats  E/D#G#/
2 beats  D/C#F#/
4 beats  Db/DbFAb/CEbAb


i didnt add right hand chords to the two passing chords which pass to the
Db chord because i wanted to leave it open to interpretation

now you dont have to do that movement to the Db you can walk up to it from the Bb C and do the Db # 5 move we all hear all the time resolving to the Db 6/9

for example

1 beat Ab/AbAB/CGC
1 beat  Bb/BbBb/DbAbDb
1 beat  C/CC/EbBbEb
2 beat  Db/DbEb/FAF---
2 beat  Db/DbBb/FBbF


the last two chords have a little movement to it to make it work

the left hand plays Eb,C,Eb Db
while the right  plays in between the octaves  C, A, C, Bb
so you have F octaves held by th thumb and pinky while the middle and ring fingers play the D C C Bb
along with the left hand which is playing Eb.C, Eb,Bb

I hope you like this progression

another thing that sounds cool is to do another 7-3-6 but now in Db

and this will bring you to Bbmin
and you can use this chord to do a 2 - 1 back to Ab


I hope you can get some use out of this

play this in every key

and you will have a strong progression that iwll allow you to function in every key


when transposing think left to right

in other words think about the half steps and how far each finger has to move to go to the next chord

if you do it this way you will be transposing with less think


 

Excuse me for being late in this reply...I just found it!!! I am just starting to recognize what key something is in....Are all of  these chords in the key of Db???

[diverse379]

close Chevonee
its in the key of Ab

the only difference is the G natural in the scale

and you can even sometimes superimpose these keys over each other to get some nice sounds
like

"we fall down"

 uses this device,

[drebeatz]

Yes this is a minor third cycle.  It is a good bass cycle for practicing your voicings also.

You are of course familiar with the 4th/5th cycle, however there are 6 more cycles possible.  After you understand those cycles well you can mix the cycles and move in mixed direction. This is by far the easiest way to play and understand progressions.

Most changes are either chromatic, cycle of 5ths or cycle of minor thirds.

You are always either a 5th, 3rd or 2nd from your next change. You have to always ask your self:  Where am I, Where did the last chord come from and Where am I going.

Always simplify and remember if it looks hard or confusing, you are looking at it wrong.

brother scott

Can someone give me a little more info on these 6 other cycles? I would like to study them!

[diverse379]

Can someone give me a little more info on these 6 other cycles? I would like to study them!

the basic idea he is speaking of if i am correct is how the chord roots move

the most common root motion is in fourths

so if you are in the key of C your c chord will want to go the F  ( afourth)
if you are on the G your bass will want to resolve to the C  ( a fourth )

if you are on thhe A your root will want to move to the D  (a fourth)

the next common moverment is in fifths

so the G will go to D
and the C will go to G
and the E will go to B and the D will go to A

the next one that is used in gospel currently is hte whole step

now each chord will move to the chord a whole step away in parallel motion in other words the chords will not change qualiy

when we did the fourth motion usually the chords will adjust to fit the key
but when we use whole steops we eiher use a major chord or a minor 11 chord and hold tht quality

the next cycle wyould be half steps
ith these you may keep the same quality or change as if you were playing in fourths but the bass miovement now changes

the next is to move in
thirds

then minor thirds

i never used any others
but i guess you could expand the idea to move in tritones
or augmented 5ths
or 6ths

or b7ths

etc

a bugged out idea i never thought about it but hey why not right?


but I was not using minor thirds in my progression i was using fourths

G to C
C to f
F to Bb

Bb to Eb
Eb to Ab

all fourths movements