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Offline KurzLand

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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #80 on: March 08, 2007, 01:46:35 AM »
You guys are still debating?

Forget about it, no one is going to do it anyways. Sorry but it's true.

If we can't put up the lyrics then every gospel artist is going to go poor. Why? because there isn't a point on buying CD's no more.
We will make up our own songs.

So like I said before, IMO, CCLI is dumb and a rip off. 

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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #81 on: March 08, 2007, 01:49:59 AM »
Quote from: princessofpraise on February 12, 2007, 08:18:46 PM
Most churches can afford the fees.




How about if your church can't? Then What? No more P&W time?
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #82 on: March 08, 2007, 06:51:26 AM »
Quote from: Derik on March 08, 2007, 01:46:35 AM
You guys are still debating?

Forget about it, no one is going to do it anyways. Sorry but it's true.

If we can't put up the lyrics then every gospel artist is going to go poor. Why? because there isn't a point on buying CD's no more.
We will make up our own songs.

So like I said before, IMO, CCLI is dumb and a rip off. 



Your argument is juvenile. Gospel artists are NOT going to go poor, if music ministries stop posting lyrics. That's just silly. Folks will still buy CDs for their personal edification.

And, there ARE folks who register with CCLI and others like it, so to say that NO ONE will is naive and ignorant.

When it comes to conversations, cjhildren should be seen and not post.  :D
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #83 on: March 08, 2007, 08:18:56 AM »
Quote from: MrSparrow on January 31, 2007, 10:03:33 AM
If your church sings songs that someone else recorded and you are not paying royalties via CCLI, you are a theif and a robber.

You can not legally display the words in public nor perfom music without paying royalties.

You really can't even show videos to your youth group or bible study group without paying royalties either. Churches must also join CVLI (Christian Video Licensing Inc).  www.cvli.com

How do you think gospel songwriters get paid? If your church is not a member of CCLI, you can join at www.ccli.com

CCLI stands for Christian Copyrights Licensing Inc.

My church pays around $250 a year and we LEGALLY have access to the music that you hear and see on the radio and tv. Every three years they ask you to send them the list of the songs that you sing in worship so the people that actually wrote the songs you love to sing can get their royalty check (money for writing the song).

There are tons of benefits that go along with being a member of CCLI. There is access to thousands of songs with not just the lyrics but the chord progressions and lead sheets also (the words with the symbols for the chord progressions over them).

If you are not a member and do not plan on being a member, I pray that you realize that you are illegally stealing music and you can not play the role that you didn't know.

This is an area that our black churches definately have dropped the ball. I pray that you align yourself with the legal practices of our country regarding the music that you sing in church.

If your church can not afford to do this at the time, please refrain from singing copywritten music from the artists/songwriters that you can't afford to pay until you can.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. Please if your church is out of alignment, do the right thing and join.

MrSparrow


So what do you sing at your church ?/? Are all of your songs written by you and your ministry?
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #84 on: March 08, 2007, 08:22:35 AM »
Quote from: sjonathan02 on March 08, 2007, 06:51:26 AM
Your argument is juvenile. Gospel artists are NOT going to go poor, if music ministries stop posting lyrics. That's just silly. Folks will still buy CDs for their personal edification.

And, there ARE folks who register with CCLI and others like it, so to say that NO ONE will is naive and ignorant.

When it comes to conversations, cjhildren should be seen and not post.  :D

Thats is NOT a type-o is it???
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #85 on: March 08, 2007, 08:29:48 AM »
Quote from: B_XALTED on March 08, 2007, 08:22:35 AM
Thats is NOT a type-o is it???

 ;D ;D ;D...............................and they wouldn't let you in, huh?

.........are they serving crow for lunch SJ? ;)
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #86 on: March 08, 2007, 10:48:28 AM »
Ok Derek...

Do as you please.

MrSparrow
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #87 on: March 08, 2007, 10:50:32 AM »
Quote from: MrSparrow on March 08, 2007, 10:48:28 AM
Ok Derek...

Do as you please.

MrSparrow

Great post.
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #88 on: March 08, 2007, 10:53:54 AM »
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #89 on: March 08, 2007, 12:55:14 PM »
Quote from: B_XALTED on March 08, 2007, 08:18:56 AM
So what do you sing at your church ?/? Are all of your songs written by you and your ministry?

My church is a member of CCLI. This was one of the first things I did once I became the Minister of Music. The worship in my church is blended. We do a little of it all. If it's HOLY, and HOT, we've done it or we will do it soon...

Ya feel me?

We do launch out into prophetic worship also...

I hope that helped.

MrSparrow
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #90 on: March 08, 2007, 01:00:47 PM »
Quote from: MrSparrow on March 08, 2007, 12:55:14 PM
My church is a member of CCLI. This was one of the first things I did once I became the Minister of Music. The worship in my church is blended. We do a little of it all. If it's HOLY, and HOT, we've done it or we will do it soon...

Ya feel me?

We do launch out into prophetic worship also...

I hope that helped.

MrSparrow

I didnt ask you that. I asked what do you sing?
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #91 on: March 08, 2007, 03:53:08 PM »
I sing Tenor...

I don't understand your question. Are you asking me what songs on CCLI that we do at my church?

This past Sunday we did, Above All #2672885 and Open the Eyes of My Heart #2298355...

MrSparrow
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #92 on: March 08, 2007, 11:32:23 PM »
Quote from: sjonathan02 on March 08, 2007, 06:51:26 AM
Your argument is juvenile. Gospel artists are NOT going to go poor, if music ministries stop posting lyrics. That's just silly. Folks will still buy CDs for their personal edification.

And, there ARE folks who register with CCLI and others like it, so to say that NO ONE will is naive and ignorant.

When it comes to conversations, cjhildren should be seen and not post.  :D
 

ok. My bad. I was speaking for myself.

Quote from: MrSparrow on March 08, 2007, 10:48:28 AM
Ok Derek...

Do as you please.

MrSparrow

You too. :D
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #93 on: March 24, 2007, 12:28:15 AM »
THIS INFO IS INFORMATIVE AND WORTH PASSING ON TO MY CHURCH. THANKS
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #94 on: March 26, 2007, 06:47:40 AM »
You are most welcome!

MrSparrow
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #95 on: March 26, 2007, 09:09:33 PM »
Quote from: MrSparrow on January 31, 2007, 07:00:38 PM
Are you certain? I was told we couldn't sing the songs at all if they were taking an offering at the church. Putting the words on the screen is just the same as passing out the lyrics. I talked to the CCLI people myself. I was told by them that the people/churches who don't use CCLI or pay the composers directly for use of their material are illegally using the music.


If your choir is singing a concert with copyrighten material and you don't pay the songwriters, you have stolen their material and made a profit off of it.

MrSparrow

If that was the case dont you think theyre would have been several lawsuits against churches by now?  Until they serve notice to all churches, choir and groups etc then I agree with 4HG


Quote from: B_XALTED on March 08, 2007, 08:18:56 AM
So what do you sing at your church ?/? Are all of your songs written by you and your ministry?

I know you didnt ask me BUT!!! ;D 95% of the songs you will hear our church sing are written by us...the other 5% by gospel artists
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #96 on: March 27, 2007, 07:36:48 AM »
I guess the only reason there haven't been lawsuits all over the place is GRACE...

Another poster talked about how a church was fined $300,000 for copyright infringement among other things...

I think that's worth looking into which is the real reason I started this topic.

MrSparrow
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #97 on: April 04, 2007, 11:32:29 AM »
Coming from a music business background, the only time performing live with copywritten songs and it's illegal is when it's live television, and if you're selling tickets for a concert or something. otherwise, performing copywritten songs is perfectly fine... The only time when it's illegal is if you use the song to make money such as resturants, etc...
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2007, 01:55:08 PM »
Dfwkeys,

The issue is showing the lyrics... the other issue is what constitutes a concert? 4 songs? 6 songs? If so, some churches do 4 to 6 copywritten songs a Sunday. What's the difference between a concert with a freewill offering and a church service with a freewill offering?

MrSparrow
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Re: Are you legally singing gospel music in your church?
« Reply #99 on: April 05, 2007, 08:23:51 AM »
This discussion CAN'T still be going?  :o :o :o :o


Like the Dr. Pepper commercial, 'be you; do what you do.'
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