what songs have you ripped changes and drop them in your sunday morning playing?

[T-Block]

Fa sho D, I got your back!!!

[4hisglory]

YOU HAVE GOT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!  AT OFFERING IT IS A LITTLE JAMES BROWN, OR EVEN B.B.KING, BRINGING THEM TO THE ALTAR AFTER OFFERING A LITTLE TUPAC/DEBARGE FOR THE OLDER CREW  "SET UP THE SHOUT"!

I can't agree with this statement AT ALL.

[diverse379]

I dont necessarily agree but I am not sure I disagree either with the statement. 

I know that I do feel it is my responsibility to minister to all the folks I can

If the younger people get into church when they hear a little tupac or nellie dropped in the middle of a tithes and offerring march or a shout

The young people are tomorrows church; although I dont play the stuff others have put on this thread

I dont know if I should be so adverse to "giving the people what they want

Isnt it the same as giving them what edifies them?

That is how I see my role to help everyone get into the worship spirit

[4hisglory]

So you are saying that if you drop a little Tupac or Nellie you can help get younger people into "Worship"???  Are you serious??  Is it April Fools day or something.

[diverse379]

Lol

No I am not joking
This is what I am saying

First I dont listen to hip hop or R&B so I dont know how to play these songs

but what I am saying is that I am not going to close the door to the idea of reaching the youth by this method

when the young people thrive at a church it brings their parents and other folks who like a lively service which helps the ministry grow

Although I have never done anything more radical then play its a wonderful world or My all for worship

I have seen the happy spirit in people when I visit other churches and they do their remixes up on the organ or keys

I am just trying to be open minded about this whole thing. My ideas are not the only ones and God is Omnipresent I am sure there are many ways to bring the sheep in

I take this part of my job very seriously

A call to the lost is one of the functions of the musician also it is to prepare the hearts of the people for the message and help usher in the spirit

well if my call to the lost function can be accentuated by dropping a little nellie

then I would do it if I knew it would help draw in the souls its up to the pastor to lead them to Jesus I did my job when I bought them in the door

I could be wrong I have only been doing this for about four years maybe five

but this thread has turned to a good teaching direction so I ready to get my wig split I got the bucket ready to catch the blood when you hit me with that sledge hammer of knowledge

So come on wit it; split my wig
 

[4hisglory]

This is to crazy to even address.  Its one thing to just take a progression from music, but its totally ridiculous to say we need to to bring tupac in to help usher in worship.

Next it will be we be we need to bring strippers in to help bring men in.  This is just ridiculous.

[SisterT]

YOU HAVE GOT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!  AT OFFERING IT IS A LITTLE JAMES BROWN, OR EVEN B.B.KING, BRINGING THEM TO THE ALTAR AFTER OFFERING A LITTLE TUPAC/DEBARGE FOR THE OLDER CREW  "SET UP THE SHOUT"!

 ??? ???

Are you serious? Give the people what THEY want..... IS that the kind of God you serve.....Give them what they WANT, not what they NEED.

[T-Block]

Its one thing to just take a progression from music

This is all I do.  I take a small portion of music and put my own spin on it just to add in something new every now and then.  I ain't saying we need to take the whole song and concept, just borrow a piece for flavor.

Like I said before on another topic, my main focus is on using the music to give glory to God.  Other people have a different focus, they just want to draw people in the church.  If that's your only goal, then you wasting your time.  Unless God draws them, they ain't gonna come anyways. 

I believe it's all in your mindset and motive.  God is always looking at our motives, so let's make sure they are on Him and not people!!!

[sjonathan02]

This is to crazy too even address. 

This is why I left it alone. I'll tell you a quick story.

I was at church yesterday; and because it was Palm Sunday, the Women's Choir sang Wilmington Chester's "Hosanna". Well, when they got to the vamp, the band mixed in Little Kim's or The Notorious B.I.G.'s beat from that song, "I know you seen me on the videos; I know you hear me on the radio".

*side bar* If you don't know the song, it came out in like '96 '97 somewhere around there. *end side bar*

At first, I really didn't know what to make of it; and to be honest, I still don't. But, I think I'm on the side of it isn't right. Not because of the chords, but because of the sentiment of the song itself.

And, that's something that we tend to forget the chord progression that we might be using can elicit thoughts and feelings associated with the secular song, and how can you bring someone to Christ with those types of thoughts on their minds?

Just my opinion.

[ShadowPhace]

I've played Brain McKnight's "One Last Cry."  Really nice chords for talking in this song, especially when you have the right setting on your keyboard.

I've also played Luther Vandross's "Here and Now," but I had to stop playing this song as talk chords for my pastor. The intro usually give the song away, (LOL) and people in my church would stop listening to what the pastor was saying and start singing along.

One Sunday I played Outkast "I love the Way You Move." LOL: The pastor got on the microphone and remixed the song into a gospel song, I forgot what he actually song. I felt bad afterwards , but it felt  good for that moment . I want do that again thou.

[ShadowPhace]

 ??? ???

Are you serious? Give the people what THEY want..... IS that the kind of God you serve.....Give them what they WANT, not what they NEED.

I 2nd that. There are some R&B songs out there with a good meassage, for example Mary J. Blije's "No More Drama." The only thing is that we as ministers of music have to filter out what the people want versus what is acceptable to play in the church. Can I get a Amen !?!

[diverse379]

Whew i need another bucket.

Now what is interesting is that the person who said that comment to me
must have had a reason for saying it.

And I like to consider everything that is said to me before dismissing it entirely

is it possible that I am playing to many slow worship songs and not enough praise songs'

yesterday We did some hezekiah and I did a calypso on I have decided to Follow jesus

The church had so much energy more then usual
what i take from the statement wasnt so much the content of the message

but the intention of the message he may have read what songs I was playing and felt I was boring my congregation to death.

Maybe it was a message for me to be a little more lively
I am grown and A called minister of music I believe God will help me make the appropriate choices but the kick in the pants may have been enough to get me thinking about updating my sound a little more

and making more lively additions to my reportore

[T-Block]

I love playing slow music, and I really don't like playing fast music.  It's a stuggle for me learning up tempo songs, but I do them cuz our church is named Praise Temple, so they expect us to do that, Praise. 

I don't even like playing for choirs cuz they always want an upbeat song.  I like the slow songs cuz I can put my heart into it and really feel what I'm playing.  I guess I gotta get out of that mode and be more versatile as well.

[sjonathan02]

I love playing slow music, and I really don't like playing fast music.  It's a stuggle for me learning up tempo songs, but I do them cuz our church is named Praise Temple, so they expect us to do that, Praise. 

I don't even like playing for choirs cuz they always want an upbeat song.  I like the slow songs cuz I can put my heart into it and really feel what I'm playing.  I guess I gotta get out of that mode and be more versatile as well.

Bless you, Bro. I thought I was the only one. 

[diverse379]

Yo t-block still doing that yin yang thing?

 

I love it

though its cool how we can just be blessed even when theres mess

Na mean?

[T-Block]

That's right D!!!

[diverse379]

I wanted to say one last thing on this topic then I will shut up I promise 


maybe we are getting the wrong idea I cant speak for anyone else but when I take a song and rip the changes from it I dont take the melody I just take the rhythm and the chord changes if i do take the melody it is just a tone or two to complement the chord progression

using this lets say I took a change from biggie smalls

biggie smalls took his sample from earth wind an fire

earth wind and fire had a song writer who studied at manhattan school of music and
got part of the progression that that loop sample came from from a beetoven movement or a bach movemrent

well then was it really a biggie thing?

was I bringing in biggie to the church or was I briniging in a harmonic movement that has existed for centuries


one other thing

Lucifer was created to praise God he was a chief musician he could play all chords and tones they were meant for Gods glory

he got prideful and got kicked out

he means his music to be for evil now
but he is a thief and a robber

why cant we take the sounds back and use them for Gods glory
They were meant for him to begin with

study and show thyself approved I study theory but that is still someone elses concepts

some learn by ear listiening to Gospel records but where did those chords come from

if you walk up the c scale to f by going C D E F during amazing grace or what a fellow ship

Were you doing a common walk up or were you playing lean on me changes in the church

I just want to kick back and give ny all to God without getting to caught up in mans stuff

Judge ye not another masters servent for he stands before his master to be judged

we all have a job to do let us Allow God to direct our path when we stumble pray for one another

 I loved this thread though because it demonstrates how passionate we all are for Gods ministry some are more responsible then others some more serious then others

but we are all here doing the same job giving him praise.

[sedised]

Ive played inspector gadget during a shout. It was siiick ive played the theme from action news (its a philly thing) ive played heaven as talking music, so sick, ive ripped chords from we must praise as a warm up for the shout. i just kinda go crazy.

[T-Block]

using this lets say I took a change from biggie smalls

biggie smalls took his sample from earth wind an fire

earth wind and fire had a song writer who studied at manhattan school of music and
got part of the progression that that loop sample came from from a beetoven movement or a bach movemrent

well then was it really a biggie thing?

was I bringing in biggie to the church or was I briniging in a harmonic movement that has existed for centuries

This is what I'm talking about right here, all we doing it using the music, not the words or concepts.  All musicians steal/borrow from each other
so can't nobody truly say they being original cuz they got an idea from somebody.  The Bible declares that there is nothing new under the sun, so why should music be any different?  As long as your motive is right, as long as you playing to the glory of God, then go ahead and use whatever you want to.  God knows are hearts and He should be the only one you have to worry about pleasing.

[ES7Mike]

This is all I do.  I take a small portion of music and put my own spin on it just to add in something new every now and then.  I ain't saying we need to take the whole song and concept, just borrow a piece for flavor.

Like I said before on another topic, my main focus is on using the music to give glory to God.  Other people have a different focus, they just want to draw people in the church.  If that's your only goal, then you wasting your time.  Unless God draws them, they ain't gonna come anyways. 

I believe it's all in your mindset and motive.  God is always looking at our motives, so let's make sure they are on Him and not people!!!

I understand where you are coming from T-Block, with slow songs you can throw in your own styling with it. I usually like to jazz it up alot of times(I get crazy looks alot of times) when i'm playing slow songs.