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Offline Mrandrew

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A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« on: June 14, 2008, 09:40:49 AM »
Here's a gospel jazz progression. Give some feedback :)

G/FABbD
Eb/GCDbF
Ab/GCEbG
F/FADbEb
F/FACEb
Db/FAbCEb
Ab/GBbCEb
Eb/GbBbEbF
Ab/GbBbCEb
Db/FAbEb
Gb/FBbCEb
resolve back to
G/FABbD

I play this soft and mellow. Musallio I think you'll like this ;)

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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2008, 08:20:37 AM »
I typically try to figure out chord progressins by the bass movement and the chords, but these, I really don't know whats happening.  Can you explain it a little...key....movement....etc...
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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2008, 02:07:44 PM »
I typically try to figure out chord progressins by the bass movement and the chords, but these, I really don't know whats happening.  Can you explain it a little...key....movement....etc...

I think it's in the key of Ab(T-block help), but I think when I start the first chord is in the key Bb. I'm not sure how the keys change, what I do is use a blues scale for runs. The movements are crazy, but the progression makes sense.

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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2008, 02:42:36 PM »
O.K., before I give my honest assessment, please allow me to rewrite what u got written man.  I was so confused at first because u got all the notes stuck together:

G / F-A-Bb-D
Eb / G-C-Db-F
Ab / G-C-Eb-G
F / F-A-Db-Eb
F / F-A-C-Eb
Db / F-Ab-C-Eb
Ab / G-Bb-C-Eb
Eb / Gb-Bb-Eb-F
Ab / Gb-Bb-C-Eb
Db / F-Ab-Eb
Gb / F-Bb-C-Eb
resolve back to
G / F-A-Bb-D

Now that I can understand it, if u chopped off the 1st chord and the last chord, then u got a nice "unexpected" sounding progression in Ab:

Eb / G-C-Db-F
Ab / G-C-Eb-G
F / F-A-Db-Eb
F / F-A-C-Eb
Db / F-Ab-C-Eb
Ab / G-Bb-C-Eb
Eb / Gb-Bb-Eb-F
Ab / Gb-Bb-C-Eb
Db / F-Ab-Eb

I can't for the life of me figure out how the  G / F-A-Bb-D  and  Gb / F-Bb-C-Eb  chords fit into this.  Did you come up with this yourself?  If so, please explain your thought process of this for me.
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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2008, 03:22:24 PM »
Actually I did, I listen to a lot of jazz and would hear progression like this. I've heard progression go like this from Kim Pensyl, David Benoit, Lyle Mays(pat methany group) and others. Just trying something different and more of a sound I'm more comfortable with.

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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2008, 02:17:52 PM »
I typically try to figure out chord progressins by the bass movement and the chords, but these, I really don't know whats happening.  Can you explain it a little...key....movement....etc...

Hey MrAndrew, I've just seen this arrangement & can't wait to try it out.
I understand exactly what you have done because I do it all the time in my practice time :) 8)
4HG, coming up with this type of progression requires you too change or rather broaden your thought process a bit/ revolutionise the way you think of chords with bass notes.

What do I mean by this?

As you can see, MrAndrew said this was a jazzy progression.
There are chords that have a very jazzy "cut" / "fit"..
If you want to play jazzy, you need to be able to identify those primary chords.
For instance, the 1st chord that MrAndrew used was a Gm9 [G/F-A-Bb-D]. I would advise that you learn this chord using the chromatic scale & then learn the different inversions for the RH notes.

ok, enough of that blabber.

I think what's important here is the thought process:
This is what I think MrAndrew did (at least it's what I would do).

i) Think of a certain feel you want to create.
ii) This works best when you have a bank of chords in your pocket. So you already have an idea of which chords will flow together.

iii) You don't want to sound too normal (which is what normally happens when you just move in 4ths all the time)..hence the reason MrAndrew has sometimes "broken" the 4ths pattern.
(but then at some point even though you've abandoned the 4ths cycle, you need to get back to it or some other pattern , hence the reason MrAndrew goes with the pattern here & there.

The most important thing is to be guided by the sound you hear in your head rather than going with the pattern in the bass notes. In that way we don't limit our imagination's creativity :) ;)

Indeed by just looking at it I am guessing it's in Ab. :-\

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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2008, 05:07:55 PM »
The most important thing is to be guided by the sound you hear in your head rather than going with the pattern in the bass notes. In that way we don't limit our imagination's creativity :) ;)

Indeed by just looking at it I am guessing it's in Ab. :-\

Well said musallio ;) Usually I just go with what I hear and try to find chords that sound good together. Listening to a lot of keyboardist you hear things and try to figure it out, sometimes it takes a while and out of the blue you come up with something you've heard maybe years ago.

Learning from everyone hear has been a big help. There was a time I would go to GC and never get on the boards, because of how I played. Now I do and feel more confident (may not be that sharp, but have turned some heads) and not intimated.

I remember what T always says "Play what sounds good to you" Think about the scene from Ragtime(i think that the movie) with Scott Joplin in that club, remember no one could figure out what key he was in because of his style.

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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2008, 05:29:51 PM »
I remember what T always says "Play what sounds good to you" Think about the scene from Ragtime(i think that the movie) with Scott Joplin in that club, remember no one could figure out what key he was in because of his style.

Oh yeah, and speaking of Scott Joplin, every musician should see that movie.  I'm playing a couple of his pieces for school, and that man had some talent for real.  U can tell by his music he had "total" or "close to total" independence of hands.

Dude that was doing all the fancy tricks on the other piano was straigt lost, it was so cool, LOL.
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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2008, 05:52:51 PM »
A movie with Joplin? :o

Lord, I should hunt for that movie: Ragtime! cool..

I was 1st introduced to Scott by a "classical" friend & I just fell in lover with the guy..
I sure ned to watch that.
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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2008, 06:04:27 PM »
A movie with Joplin? :o

Lord, I should hunt for that movie: Ragtime! cool..

I was 1st introduced to Scott by a "classical" friend & I just fell in lover with the guy..
I sure ned to watch that.

I need to correct myself, the movie is titled Scott Joplin starring Billy Dee Williams.

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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2008, 06:13:13 PM »
A movie with Joplin? :o

Lord, I should hunt for that movie: Ragtime! cool..

I was 1st introduced to Scott by a "classical" friend & I just fell in lover with the guy..
I sure ned to watch that.

HAHAHAHA, I wish it was the real Scott Joplin.  But, naw it's just a movie about his life.
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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2008, 07:23:05 PM »
thanks for clearing things up..

I should visit his website again, hopefully the movie is mentioned there.
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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2008, 02:01:04 AM »
What it seems to be is:

G / F-A-Bb-D_______Gm9 --------------------(key of G minor)
Eb / G-C-Db-F______Eb9,13------------------(key change to Ab major)
Ab / G-C-Eb-G______AbMaj7
F / F-A-Db-Eb_______F7#5
F / F-A-C-Eb________F7

Db / F-Ab-C-Eb_____DbMaj9
Ab / G-Bb-C-Eb_____AbMaj9

Eb / Gb-Bb-Eb-F____Ebm (add9)
Ab / Gb-Bb-C-Eb____Ab9
Db / F-Ab-Eb_______Db (add9)

Gb / F-Bb-C-Eb_____GbMaj13b5-----------(borrowed 7 chord; which in this case is a major chord with a b5....or you could say the key temporarily changed to GbMaj)

G / F-A-Bb-D_______Gm9--------------------(key back to G minor)

(Anyone, feel free to make any corrections if needed)

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Re: A Little Gospel Jazz Progression
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2008, 02:22:06 AM »
What it seems to be is:

G / F-A-Bb-D_______Gm9 --------------------(key of G minor)
Eb / G-C-Db-F______Eb9,13------------------(key change to Ab major)
Ab / G-C-Eb-G______AbMaj7
F / F-A-Db-Eb_______F7#5
F / F-A-C-Eb________F7

Db / F-Ab-C-Eb_____DbMaj9
Ab / G-Bb-C-Eb_____AbMaj9

Eb / Gb-Bb-Eb-F____Ebm (add9)
Ab / Gb-Bb-C-Eb____Ab9
Db / F-Ab-Eb_______Db (add9)

Gb / F-Bb-C-Eb_____GbMaj13b5-----------(borrowed 7 chord; which in this case is a major chord with a b5....or you could say the key temporarily changed to GbMaj)

G / F-A-Bb-D_______Gm9--------------------(key back to G minor)

(Anyone, feel free to make any corrections if needed)

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