TRITONES!!!!!!Help

[BigKev]

Hey, im getting better and better as days go by. God is Blessing me in a mighty mighty way. I need someone anyones help about TRITONES. I hear tritones are really great with songs that you play, and i really dont know about them. I would like to learn more about them, because i hear that it helps you with your bass hand. I heard Jamal Hartwell Playing them on GospelKeyboard, and he sounded great. Will someone please take the time out and discuss the theory of tritones, and how it will help me. Thank You

[JoyCH]

You asked and you received. Here are all of them.

There are six (6) Pair of Tritones

1) E Bb - C Chord
    E Bb - F# Chord

2) F B - G Chord
    F B - C# Chord

3) F# C - Ab Chord
    F# C - D Chord

4) G C# - A Chord
    G C# - Eb Chord

5) Ab D - Bb Chord
    AB D - E Chord

6) A Eb - B Chord
    A Eb - F Chord

Joy

[ddw4e]

Tritones are very important, especially if you have a bass player in your band. Your can utilize your left hand with tritones and continue to play chords or scale runs with your right hand.

C bass goes with E + Bb
Db bass goes with F + B
D bass goes with Gb + C
Eb bass goes with G + Db
E bass goes with Ab + D
F bass goes with A + Eb
Gb bass goes with Bb + E
G bass goes with B + F
Ab bass goes with C + Gb
A bass goes with Db + G
Bb bass goes with D + Ab
B bass goes with Eb + A
C bass goes with E + Bb
Db bass goes with F + B

RULE #1: Tritones are symmetric.

That means that E+Bb can also be played as Bb+E.

… or Gb + C can be played as C + Gb.

RULE #2: Since there are really only 6 unique tritones, each tritone
shares TWO bass notes.

For example, E+Bb / or Bb + E is used both with a “C” or “Gb” bass.

… or D + Ab / or Ab + D is used both with a “Bb” or “E” bass.

Practice these tritones with your left hand and add some chords withy your right. Practice does make perfect.

God Bless

[aljeres]

let’s talk about tri- tones a little…..

tri-tone is good for useing in passing, you can actually resolve useing it, the thing about the tri-tone is, the chord of choice in the right hand…..i will show you some ways of proper utilization of the tri-tone……

now one of the most common ways are just in standard, chording…..say like your common progression….

Lh/rh
We’ll work with “ C “
Chorded by – algieres…

- A STANDARD 2-5-1 - F#C/EbF#AC -----FB/DFGB -----EBb/EGC



NOW! IT GETS INTERESTING FROM THERE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU CAN DO IS JUST CHANGE THE VOICING IN YOUR RIGHT HAND!

- AGAIN ( 2-5-1- ) - F#C/FF#Bb-----FB/EbFBb------EBb/DGC


NOW ANOTHER WAY [EOPLE USE THE TRI-TONE IS IN WHAT IS KNOWN AS A SUPER IMPOSED CHORD, WHICH IS NOTHING BUT, ONE CHORD ON TOP OF ANOTHER…..

EX: CEBb/DF#AC#.....

SO NOW YOU HAVE TO PRACTICE THIS CHORD, BECAUSE IF YOU USE IT IN THE WRONG PLACE, IT MAY SOUND DISFUNCTIONAL….SO I WILL GIVE SOME BASIC EXAMPLES, THAT CAN HELP YOU WITH THE UTILIZATION OF THIS CHORD…….

LH/RH

DA/CEFA--EB/DF#GB--FC/EGAC--( F#C/FBbD—FB/EAF# )-GF/BEAb-BbE/DM7


NOW ANOTHER WAY IT IS USED IS IN THE INFAMOUS PREACHING CHORDS, THAT SEEM TO BAFFLE SOME OF THE MOST ENDURING MUSICIANS.,..IM TALKING ABOUT THOSE WHO BEEN PLAYING A LONG TIME AND STILL HAVENT FIGURED OUT HOW IT’S DONE! WELL HERE IT IS…..JUST A FEW EXAMPLES….OF TRI-TONE AND ITS USE IN PREACHING CHORDS……

CBb/DGC
EbA/EbGAC
EbF#AC/EbF#AC
F#C/FBbD---FB/EAC#
EBb/EGBbC….

F#C/F#BbCF
BF/BbBEb
BbE/ADG

EAbD/EGC
FAbC/EbGBb
AbD/AbCDG
GC#FGC
F#C/FF#Bb
FB/FBbBEb
EBb/EABbD……

THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF MANY POSSIBILITIES AND USES OF THE TRI-TONES………. BE BLESSED..

GIERES!!!!!

[playhear]

Thank you aljeres. You demystified some confusion for me. For example, I was not aware that gospel musicians were using tritones on chords other than dominant chords. I used to think tritone substitution was used only on dominant chords. I learn something everyday if I just keep my nose to the ground and my mind open.

[DBG2k5]

Well, here's my situation...

There's a song in Bb that I play and there's a chord that's used to set-up the ending pass of the song.  Here's the noting...

Key of Bb
Bass/LH/RH

A/F-B/Eb-G-Bb

(From there it's a 'walking' 2-5-1 progression)

If the 'F-B' tri-tone goes with either Db or G, how is it possible that it also fits with chord as well?

[playhear]

DBG2k5, please restate your question. There's a typo, making it confusing.

[JayZee]

Well, here's my situation...

There's a song in Bb that I play and there's a chord that's used to set-up the ending pass of the song.  Here's the noting...

Key of Bb
Bass/LH/RH

A/F-B/Eb-G-Bb

(From there it's a 'walking' 2-5-1 progression)

If the 'F-B' tri-tone goes with either Db or G, how is it possible that it also fits with chord as well?

Everyone has posted very valuable information within this post. One thing that I would like to add is that when you are refering to tritones you must remember the foundation of the tritones.

The theory behind the tritones is this...
Tritones= 1.,3., & the b7 or dominant 7 and you are playing your 3rd and the 7th on your right hand and your root on your left. The reason each tritone accounts for two different root notes is simply this......

If we took the key of C for example and broke it down we would have this......

C=1 D=2 E=3 F=4 G=5 A=6 B=7

with that in mind we take our 1 which is C, 3 which is E and our flatted 7th or (b7) and we have Bb giving us C/EBb

Now we can ask ourselves since E is the 3rd of C and Bb is the flatted 7th(b7) ... what key has the E as the flatted 7th(b7) and the Bb as the 3rd ?

Well here we go The Gb scale is this.....
Gb=1 Ab=2 Bb=3 Cb=4 Db=5 Eb=6 F=7

From here we can pull out our 1.,3.,& our flatted 7th(b7) and we have
Gb/BbFb  Fb=E E=Fb ........

So here is why we can use the same tritone for two different notes.... If you notice on Aljeres nice sounding chords he is doing exactly this. The only reason his chords are bigger is because he is doubling up on some of the notes that he is using...... Hope that helps....

God Bless You,
jayzee

www.gospelmusictrain.com

[DBG2k5]

DBG2k5, please restate your question. There's a typo, making it confusing.

Well, here's my situation...

There's a song in Bb that I play and there's a chord that's used to set-up the ending pass of the song. Here's the noting...

Key of Bb
Bass/LH/RH

A/F-B/Eb-G-Bb

(From there it's a 'walking' 2-5-1 progression)

If the 'F-B' tri-tone goes with either Db or G, how is it possible that it also fits with an 'A' bass note as well?

[playhear]

There's a song in Bb that I play and there's a chord that's used to set-up the ending pass of the song. Here's the noting...

Key of Bb
Bass/LH/RH

A/F-B/Eb-G-Bb

(From there it's a 'walking' 2-5-1 progression)

If the 'F-B' tri-tone goes with either Db or G, how is it possible that it also fits with an 'A' bass note as well?

Thank you for the repost. That's a good question. I've been thinking about it, and I don't know. Does the chord sound good to you or would something else sound better?

Maybe a mistake has been made. Tell the bass player to try G instead of A. G is the 6th of Bb. G in the bass for that chord would flow nicely into the 2-5-1 progression.

[playhear]

If the song was transposed from the key of C, it's quite possible the A in the bass is a mistake. A is the 6th of C.

I don't know though. I'm just throwing that out there as a possibility.

[B3Wannabe]

A/F-B/Eb-G-Bb


The reason this sounds good is because it's a jazz variation.

The tritone is built on the #5 and 9. I use these all the time. Once you start playing jazzier chords, you'll realize that a tritone is not just based off the 3 and b7, but also off other colorful combinations.

Your same left and right hand will sound equally as good with an F bass:

F/F-B/Eb-G-Bb


Here is a progession that I use with other tritone variations:

Key G:

B\E-Bb\E-A-C (11 and #13 tritone)
E\Eb-A\D-G-B (11 and #13 tritone)
.\Db-G\C-F-A (min3 and 6 tritone *bass is still E*)
D\C\Gb-Bb-C-F (3 and b7 tritone)


The thing to keep in mind is that a tritone is simply two notes, 3 whole-steps apart from each other. It doesn't matter if they're the 3rd and b7th notes.

4Hisglory said something good in another post: Look at both hands, or in your case, everything.

[playhear]

Thank you B3. I learned something.

[DBG2k5]

Sorry to confuse y'all, but I'm actually playing a 'G'.  I don't have a keyboard with me when I write these.

[DBG2k5]

So, actually, I just wasted you guys time with my question.  Apologies to everyone...

[playhear]

Sorry to confuse y'all, but I'm actually playing a 'G'.  I don't have a keyboard with me when I write these.

OK, if it's a G, read my posts. It all makes sense now.