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Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« on: April 06, 2006, 10:43:34 PM »
Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...

Hey LGM Fam,

I just wanted share with you all something that I use in my playing (now that I have learned and recognize it). I have no idea what the proper name of it is, but I am going to call it the di-tone tri-tone for this discussion. This is comprised of 3 notes that I hear some people play in their left hand. It is the root, major third, and minor seventh (1-3-b7). I call it a ditone tritone because the major third is a ditone interval (2 [di-] whole steps) away from the root, and the minor 7th (or dominant seventh) is a tritone interval (3 [tri-] whole steps) away from the third. This left hand chord is used with a regular major triad in the right hand. Do you follow me so far?

OK, here are some application. When you are in a particular key, lets say C for example, you can use this on the 1 (I), 3 (III) or b7 (bVII) bass note (what a coincidence). Here we go...

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Here is a common 2-3-4 progression in C:

DA/FAC - (Dmin7) - 2 (II)
EC/EGC - (CMaj/E) - 3 (III)
FC/EAC - (FMaj7) - 4 (IV)

Now on the 3rd, substitute the 3rd left hand notes with the di-tone tri-tone, gives it some tension:

DA/EFAC - (Dmin9) - 2 (II)
EAbD/EGC - (E7#5add#9) - 3 (III) (I'm not sure if this is called an augmented chord or not)
FC/EGAC - (FMaj9) - 4 (IV)

Can you hear the difference? I know I added some notes to the other chords, but do you see? This is not only used on the 3rd interval of a key but any time you play a major chord with the Major 3rd bass note (like instead of F#/ADF# (DMaj/F#), you can play F#A#E/ADF# (F#7#5add#9). Are you still with me?

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OK, another example in C:

I don't know how many of you remember this song, I think it is called "Perfect Praise". It goes, "Oh Lord, How excellent, how excellent, how excellent is... thy name...." Anyway, when they get to the "In all the earth..." part, the beggining of that chord progression is b7 is the first bass note:

Bb/CEG - (CMaj/Bb) - (bVII)

Now instead of playing that, use the di-tome tri-tone, again giving some jazzy tension that we all love:

BbDAb/CEG - (Bb7#5 add#9)

Again, Can you hear the difference? Again, this can be used anytime you play a major chord with its b7 as the bass note. Try it out on some other song or progression!

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Last Example in C:

This one is probably more familiar to everyone. This is using it on the tonic (I) or 1 chord. So for the key of C, this would be the CMaj chord:

CG/EGC - (CMaj) - (I)

Now, use that di-tone tri-tone left hand chord to make it a 7th chord:

CEBb/EGC - (C7) - (I)

Now for this chord, this left hand di-tone tritone gives you the advantage of puting your dominant notes and bass in the left which frees you to play other notes in the right. For instance, try playing a 9th instead of doubling up on the 3rd in the right hand:

CEBb/DGC - (C9)

Now, add in the 13th:

CEBb/DGAC - (C9add13)

Do you see how this changes the sound of the chord? Its nothing new really, just a different way to voice the chord, gives you a sound that is a little different. I like playing this chord when ending songs on I sometimes. Try it out!

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Now, I use the di-tone tritone left hand combination mainly because I play keyboard, so I do not have the luxury of a bass pedal like the organ. You could very well just play the tritone in your left hand and the root with your bass pedal, but the concept of where you can apply this is the same. It seems rather simple, but it is another trick or substitution to put in your bag of tricks. Hoola back at your boy and tell me what you think. Be Blessed!

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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2006, 12:16:33 AM »
Thanks for the post P_music. :)
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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2006, 08:59:01 AM »
why am i printing this out and going to take it to church with me so i can study it...  ???

you know i never have grasped how to effectively use tri-tones...

so off we go into the wild blue yanda

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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2006, 08:10:41 PM »
Thanks P-music
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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2006, 09:41:14 PM »
why am i printing this out and going to take it to church with me so i can study it...  ???

you know i never have grasped how to effectively use tri-tones...

so off we go into the wild blue yanda



I feel you on this, dawg. I've been asking for a minute how and why one would use a tri-tone in various situations. but, no one has given me a clear cut explanation...yet.

Oh, T-block....... ;) :D
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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2006, 10:29:14 AM »
I am learning this tritone thing myself. I caught the above revelation when I was learning a song by Youthful Praise and James Hall. I will see about posting a midi of the example later today. I will also try to post a midi of a song with thos kind off chords in them so you can link the theory with your ear. Be Blessed!

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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2006, 12:18:59 AM »
I posted a midi file of the examples I posted above. Listen for the difference with and without the left hand di-tone tri-tone. Train you ear to recognize it, you'd be suprised how much it is used, especially with complex sounding songs. Study it, analyze it, practice it (in all keys if possible), and incorporate it in your playing. Be Blessed!

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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2006, 12:23:26 PM »
Thanks P_Music
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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2006, 03:12:38 PM »
Thanks P_Music

It is my pleasure. I posted another midi file of a song that uses this concept. It is called "We Worship you" by Garay Mayes and Nu Era (from his 1st album). The concept is used on two different chords. Can you hear which ones?

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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2006, 11:48:37 PM »
Thanks!  ;D
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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2006, 12:19:09 PM »
I know this is an old post but it really helped me out with something i was struggling with! This whole tri-tone thing is amazing! I have gotten 4 times better in last 4 months just incorporating them in my daily playing! God Bless you brotha!

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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2006, 10:43:50 PM »
God Bless You P_music.  ::). I have started incorporating this theory into my playing...and have gotten soo much better. Thats the great thing about this site...its like a family working together, i definitely feel the love on here. God Bless.
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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2006, 07:46:36 AM »
This was kind aold, but you all are so welcome! When I got married, I gave my computer to my parents (our small apartment couldn't hold it anyway), so I haven't been done much with typing chords and making midi files like I used to (also because of the fact that I like to spend quality time with my wife). Hopefully I'll be able to share more in the near future. Be Blessed!

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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2006, 01:26:29 AM »
some instatnt phatness coming from p music
although in jazz the left hand configuration you demonstrate  is considered a  dominant shell voicing
but the way you are using it is a little different and thus it takes on a new meaning so i like the new name because it has a different application
thanks for sharing that i know perfect praise very well and that chord does indeed spice things up a bit

did that  come from hartwell because that is the only time i ever heard the term di tone was from that brother

when  i started to play it i was humbled instantly thank you for the experience.
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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2006, 10:26:16 AM »
some instatnt phatness coming from p music
although in jazz the left hand configuration you demonstrate  is considered a  dominant shell voicing
but the way you are using it is a little different and thus it takes on a new meaning so i like the new name because it has a different application
thanks for sharing that i know perfect praise very well and that chord does indeed spice things up a bit

did that  come from hartwell because that is the only time i ever heard the term di tone was from that brother

when  i started to play it i was humbled instantly thank you for the experience.


Actually, I have no idea what the actual name is, I just made up something. I did first hear the term di-tone from Jammal Hartwell one one of his video demos, buit I haven't actually seen his video (I gt it after Christmas though). I Just know that it looks like a 1-3-b7 in the left, and a major triad in the right. I really kinda just stumbled upon, and began exploring ways to use it and listening to see if how other people did. Anyway, Be Blessed!

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Re: Left Hand di-tone tri-tones...
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2006, 11:45:14 AM »
no doubt have a great weekend and holiday ia m loving the chord and its uses
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