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Gospel Instruments => General Music Hangout => Topic started by: blazenbarr on September 01, 2012, 08:45:29 PM
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How to form a Dim6 chord ? Trying to play God Wants a yes and reading chord symbols and isee Dim6 but never knew how to form so please help
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dim6 is probably a misnomer because as I think about it, if you voice it out, its just a fully dim7.
dim7
1, b3, b5, bb7 (which is the 6th degree)
so a Cdim7 would be: C Eb Gb Bbb (B double flat = A)
so if theres a such thing as a dim6 it would have to be voiced
C Eb Gb A
see what Im saying?
The main point is a fully diminished 7th chord is built off of 3 successive minor 3rd intervals.
C-Eb (m3)
Eb-Gb (m3)
Gb-A (m3)
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The problem lies with the name dim6. It doesn't work the same way as the dim7 chord (why? i don't know, lol). In a dim7 chord, the double flat 7th is added to the diminished chord. With the dim6, the normal 6th is added to the diminished chord. So, think of dim6 as a diminished chord with the added 6th degree and you won't have any trouble figuring out the notes for it.
Same notes as the dim7, just a different process of getting the ntoes. Sort of like enharmonic names, lol.
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Lol kinda knew that , but iwasnt sure cause in the song it says Dim6 alot which inever seen
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I don't think that this is a universally recognized chord. At the moment, I cannot up with a reason why I would name a chord a dim6 versus a D dim7. However, their is a difference between DbM and C#M.
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Yeah, that is an odd one. It's not commonly recognized as a "standard" designation for a chord. I see the logic in using this as a shorthand for a fully-diminished seventh chord, because that would follow the conventions of other chords. After all, "C" by itself indicates a major triad, and "C6" means the C major triad + the 6th. It would seem to follow, then, that "Cdim" is a triad (which is true) and so "Cdim6" would mean to add the same 6th (A).
However, this is not the common way to describe this chord. I can think of at least one point of confusion: if you say "Cdim6" someone might assume it means "C major with a diminished 6." A diminished 6th is practically never, ever used, but very technically speaking it would be A double-flat in the key of C. In other words, the "diminished 6th" sounds just like the 5th (G), similar to how the diminished seventh (B double flat) sounds like the 6th (A).
In looking back at the original question, is there any chance that the chord on the paper was actually a "Dmi6" chord? This isn't super-common, but I've seen "mi" sometimes used to mean "minor," making "Dmi6" a D minor 6th chord.
Just my 2 cents. :)
James
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In other words, the "diminished 6th" sounds just like the 5th (G), similar to how the diminished seventh (B double flat) sounds like the 6th (A).
I was gonna bring that point up, lol. In that case Cdim6 would be the same as a Cmaj chord, just naming it different.
(related story)
I was at work, and there was a guy there who plays keys. We were talking about how far our hands could stretch. He made the comment, "I'm a big fan of the diminished 9th." I had to think for a second, then he chimed in "commonly known as an octave, lol". I just BOLed.
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I was gonna bring that point up, lol. In that case Cdim6 would be the same as a Cmaj chord, just naming it different.
(related story)
I was at work, and there was a guy there who plays keys. We were talking about how far our hands could stretch. He made the comment, "I'm a big fan of the diminished 9th." I had to think for a second, then he chimed in "commonly known as an octave, lol". I just BOLed.
Wouldn't that be a 1/2 step above the octave?
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Actually, a 9th, being an octave higher than a 2nd, is one of the 'major intervals' (along with 3rds, 6ths, and 7ths). When you flat a major interval once, it becomes minor. When you flat it again, it becomes diminished.
Example:
C to E = major 3rd
C to Eb = minor 3rd
C to Ebb (which SOUNDS like C to D) = diminished 3rd.
Similarly,:
C to D + an octave = major 9th
C to Db + an octave = minor 9th
C to Dbb (which SOUNDS like an octave) = diminished 9th.
James
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Wouldn't that be a 1/2 step above the octave?
Looks like my work there is done, lol.
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Actually, a 9th, being an octave higher than a 2nd, is one of the 'major intervals' (along with 3rds, 6ths, and 7ths). When you flat a major interval once, it becomes minor. When you flat it again, it becomes diminished.
Example:
C to E = major 3rd
C to Eb = minor 3rd
C to Ebb (which SOUNDS like C to D) = diminished 3rd.
Similarly,:
C to D + an octave = major 9th
C to Db + an octave = minor 9th
C to Dbb (which SOUNDS like an octave) = diminished 9th.
James
Looks like my work there is done, lol.
I see. I'm gonna have to use that. Lol!!
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Oops! That last line should have said:
C to Dbb + an octave (which SOUNDS like an octave) = diminished 9th
After all, C to Dbb just sounds like C!
James
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Thanks for the info
From Chile :)