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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: chevonee on March 02, 2010, 03:56:14 PM
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I'm sure that you all have heard of the course "No more transpose" by Jamal Hartwell. I decided to buy this course so that I could learn to play more proficiently in all of my keys. So far so good but please pray for me you guys because it is much easier to stay the same than it is to change. I would also say that this course is worth every dime it costs and it is the only course that I've ever seen that really challenges you to be the best you can be in every key.
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Praying for ya Von Von!!! :D
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I'm sure that you all have heard of the course "No more transpose" by Jamal Hartwell. I decided to buy this course so that I could learn to play more proficiently in all of my keys. So far so good but please pray for me you guys because it is much easier to stay the same than it is to change. I would also say that this course is worth every dime it costs and it is the only course that I've ever seen that really challenges you to be the best you can be in every key.
I haven't seen it but you could have paid me. lol I could teach you to get out of transpose.
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So...how is the course set up? Does it run you through scales or what? I like to hear about the different courses. Most seem waaaaay over my head, though.
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So...how is the course set up? Does it run you through scales or what? I like to hear about the different courses. Most seem waaaaay over my head, though.
Basically it is a downloadable program. Jamal Hartwell gives you different progressions, preacher chords, riffs, etc in every key. He basically challenges you to do the work but he guides you.
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It dovetails with his "learn to play by ear" course. The info that is given in that course(which is all in the key of C) is transposed to every key. He also has progressions in every key to go with it. The chords that he gives are fat(phat) contemporary chords. The course is downloaded and can be printed out on your computer. (a lot of printing) It is a lot to learn, but is handy to have to learn parts(keys) of it as desired.
If a person learned all of it, they would certainly be able to slow down on their use of the transpose button.
In my mind it is very contemporary, though.
Vonne, do you plan to learn all of it?
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It dovetails with his "learn to play by ear" course. The info that is given in that course(which is all in the key of C) is transposed to every key. He also has progressions in every key to go with it. The chords that he gives are fat(phat) contemporary chords. The course is downloaded and can be printed out on your computer. (a lot of printing) It is a lot to learn, but is handy to have to learn parts(keys) of it as desired.
If a person learned all of it, they would certainly be able to slow down on their use of the transpose button.
In my mind it is very contemporary, though.
Vonne, do you plan to learn all of it?
I'm going to take it step by step like he said which makes it alot easier. He said it should take about a year. :o :o :o
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Play on an old Hammond and you'll learn. ;D Sorry. ;)
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If a person internalized all of that, I don't see how they would have any problem with contemporary music and some other music at all. It is a lot to cover though. May God bless your effort. I know that it can be done. I am too lazy, though. I learned a few popular keys to some extent. (smile)
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If a person internalized all of that, I don't see how they would have any probleem with contemporary music and some other music at all. It is a lt to cover though. May God bless your effort. I know that it can be done. I am too lazy, though. I learned a few popular keys to some extent. (smile)
God gone have to have mercy on me my friend....ALOT OF MERCY!!!! When you look at the totality of the information that has to be learned it looks UNBELIEVABLE!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o PLEASE PRAY FOR YA SISTAH!!!
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I will. Chev, and I really hope the best for you in this effort. It makes me want to try harder at it myself.
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Fir anyone watching I will get you out of transpose for the low price of three $19.99 payments. :D On the real though I can help anyone get out of transpose. I made a post a while back for beginners and no one responded. Would have gotten free online lessons. lol But now I'm tied up.
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Fir anyone watching I will get you out of transpose for the low price of three $19.99 payments. :D On the real though I can help anyone get out of transpose. I made a post a while back for beginners and no one responded. Would have gotten free online lessons. lol But now I'm tied up.
You fuh real?? $19.99? Where iz this here post you spoda bke done posted? I'm serious this stuff is killin me right now...fa'real! :-[ :'( :-\ :-[
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Fir anyone watching I will get you out of transpose for the low price of three $19.99 payments. :D On the real though I can help anyone get out of transpose. I made a post a while back for beginners and no one responded. Would have gotten free online lessons. lol But now I'm tied up.
You fuh real?? $19.99? Where iz this here post you spoda bke done posted? I'm serious this stuff is killin me right now...fa'real! :-[ :'( :-\ :-[
Indeed. I did one too....way back in 2005. I can't find it now, but it may be in here somewhere (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/media/albums/userpics/10518/My_LGM_Piano_and_Organ_Posts.pdf).
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Question: Are transposers musicians?
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Question: Are transposers musicians?
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now why you want to start something??? :D :D :D :D
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Question: Are transposers musicians?
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I don't know if your serious or not, but just in case you are, here's 14 pages of answers, LOL: http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,56722.0.html (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,56722.0.html)
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Couldn't have said it any better! I can testify to that! If one is available, playing on a hammomd in service will definitely shorten the learning time. It has for0 me at least. I've been on the organ two Sundays a month for about three months and I am not fluent with runs and such but I am pretty solid with c Db D Eb F G and Ab, usual church keys. I use to be strictly key of C for almost 14 years and have made this DRASTIC change I'm just 3-4 months
Play on an old Hammond and you'll learn. ;D Sorry. ;)
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How to learn all keys.
1. Major Scales in every key. If you know major scales you will know the minor. Just have to work on fingering.
2. Learn how to form triads: major, minor, diminished, augmented, suspended 2 and 4. Main thing here is that you understand how they formed.
3. Learn the circle of 4ths and 5ths and the relative minor chords. You need to know how the keys relate. You will understand this more and more over time.
4. Learn basic progressions: 1-4-5, 2-5-1, 3-6-2-5-1, 7-3-6-2-5-1 in that order. This is the mysteryman method. :)
All you need is a basic understanding of number 3 and 4 if you are a beginner. The knowledge will come over time.
Now once you grasp these for things you take simple songs and learn the simple progressions in every key. For example learn "Lord I Lift Your Name on High" in all keys using the 1-4-5. You should know this progression in all keys if you don't know the others.
Ex 1-4-5
Notice if you follow the circle of 4ths you only have to learn one new chord.
In the key of C you play Cmaj, Fmaj, Gmaj.
In the key of F you play Fmaj, Bbmaj, Cmaj.
If you follow the circle of fifths you only have to learn one new chord.
In the key of C you play Cmaj, Fmaj, Gmaj.
In the key of G you play Gmaj, Cmaj, Dmaj.
mysteryman
The circle of 4ths and 5ths makes practicing very easy for you. If you can play in one key you can play in the keys to the right and left of it following the circle. There is so much more I can add but I follow these basic principles when I do practice serious. lol
Copyright 2010 "Learn to Play in 24 Hours." haha
I wanted to prove this a while back but no one responded to a post I made a while back. Either not many people come in here or they were just not interested in learning. The mysteryman method. :D if you want to progress quickly first you must pray and you should find an outlet to use your abilities. If you don't have an outlet sing the song as you play and get into it. If you can make the practice fun, playing will get better.
Again if anyone needs help learning hit me on yahoo messenger mysterymman1. I'm not charging just trying to be a blessing. :) Got one person I'm helping we will see how fast he progresses.
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Dude, if you were teaching guitar, it would be great.
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Dude, if you were teaching guitar, it would be great.
The mysteryman method works for all instruments. :D Its the same with guitar.
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How to learn all keys.
1. Major Scales in every key. If you know major scales you will know the minor. Just have to work on fingering.
3. Learn the circle of 4ths and 5ths and the relative minor chords. You need to know how the keys relate. You will understand this more and more over time.
4. Learn basic progressions: 1-4-5, 2-5-1, 3-6-2-5-1, 1-7-3-6-2-5-1-4 in that order. This is the mysteryman method. :)
All you need is a basic understanding of number 3 and 4 if you are a beginner. The knowledge will come over time.
Great points because I am a beginner and do not play the keyboard piano well. However, I am learning how to play by the "numbers system" because I do not know how to read sheet music. For instance, the longest progression underlined on the list works well for me. I added the numbers "1" (or my starting point) and "4" on that progresson because it leads me to the next key on the circle of forths/fifths chart. For those who do not know the circle of forths/fifths, it is like a clock. From 12 o'clock, the note/key/scale is in "C Major." The following major keys going counter-clockwise are:
C, F, Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, B, E, A, D, G, and back to C
http://www.jakehertzog.com/files/circle_of_fifths2.jpg (http://www.jakehertzog.com/files/circle_of_fifths2.jpg)
I start in the key of "Bb Major" and work my way around the circle of forths/fifths to get back to "Bb Major." The "numbers system" works for me because it is universal meaning if I learn something in a key (C Major for example), I can plug in the notes, scales, and (three-fingered) chords (that is all I can play at this time) with numbers and play the same thing for the other keys. That would be my transposing. To me, point number "1" made by the poster I quoted is the most important thing to know when learning how to play by the "numbers system" because it can cut down someone's learning time by a lot. So far, I played in the major keys of C, Db, Eb, F, and Ab in church services and just started practicing in "G Major" yesterday because one lady has been visiting our church for a week (and it took that long to find out what key she was singing). Any advice on quickly figuring out the key people sing in would be great. I do not know if the keyboard at my church has a tranpose button on it. If so, I would not know how to use it. That is my challenge from transposing. This year, I downloaded over 50 songs and I just wanted to say thanks to those who post them. Finally, as many folks here know, real musicians play in every key.
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Are Transposers real musicians?
I used to would say no for, I believe in playing the song in whatever key it was either recorded in or in the song leaders voice range.
However, at my church we play practically every song in the key of F. I find myself transposing just to play in another key. In that case transposing is not a bad thing.
However, every now and then I will transpose because I am either trying to change my playing style or I play too traditional in that key. For example, B natural is a key that I so rarely play in except in practice. In that key I do not use many passing chords using plain majors with the base line being one other notes played with my right hand.
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The circle of 4ths and 5ths makes practicing very easy for you. If you can play in one key you can play in the keys to the right and left of it following the circle. There is so much more I can add but I follow these basic principles when I do practice serious. lol
hey guys. I'm from the drum forum (lol)
I'm a beginner in piano and I've been following this list on my way to learning the piano. I also have been following a lot of T-Block's posts and the ultimate music thread as well. Thanks for the guidance. Everyone here has been a tremendous help to tons of ppl who I'm sure silently follow this board.
My question is, Is the circle of 5ths crucial for me to learn? I've learned a bit about it, but as for using it to learn other keys, I haven't been using it. I've been learning the scales and getting quite comfortable in various keys (at least with knowing where the sharps are) without using the circle of 5ths. After a while, my fingers just know the right keys. Also, my approach hasn't been "ok, where are the sharps/flats"...
Its been more like "These are the keys in the major scale? oh Ok!" lol
In other words, I don't approach other keys in Reference to C major
What are other benefits of the circle of 5ths other than for learning different keys?
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The 2 main purposes that I use the circle of 5ths for are:
1. Learning how many sharps or flats are in a key (major scale)
2. Progression movements (circle of 5ths backwards)
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In other words, I don't approach other keys in Reference to C major
I approach every key in reference to each other. Besides, theoretically there really is only one key, if you strictly use numbers. When you replace numbers with notes, then it's just a matter of different positions on the keyboard.
If that didn't make much sense try this: A C major chord is the same as a C# major chord, just in a different position, which is the same as a D major chord, etc. So, by learning what a major chord is (scale degrees 1, 3, 5), you have theoretically learned all 15 of them. You just have to replace them with notes. Make sense?
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I approach every key in reference to each other. Besides, theoretically there really is only one key, if you strictly use numbers. When you replace numbers with notes, then it's just a matter of different positions on the keyboard.
If that didn't make much sense try this: A C major chord is the same as a C# major chord, just in a different position, which is the same as a D major chord, etc. So, by learning what a major chord is (scale degrees 1, 3, 5), you have theoretically learned all 15 of them. You just have to replace them with notes. Make sense?
makes perfect sense. Thanks for the explanation
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If you have seen the circle of 4/5ths with the relative minor chords on the inside it will also teach you what chords will good in certain keys. I would have to look for the example.