I can't say they aren't musicians. You have all kinds of skill levels but if you can play, even if only in one key, I can't take that away from you. Granted transposers are quite limited, but they are still musicians to me.COSIGN!!!!!!!
Yes and no.
Yes- see midi's answer + I think God would rather use a transposer with a heart for worship, than a "beast" with a bad attitude and a poor relationship with Relationship with him.
No- If you've been playing piano for 5, 10, 20 years, and you cant sit down on a real piano or organ and play in whatever key is thrown at you, then you evidently dont take playing seriously
I can't say they aren't musicians. You have all kinds of skill levels but if you can play, even if only in one key, I can't take that away from you. Granted transposers are quite limited, but they are still musicians to me.
"To me", someone that only plays in on key, is different from someone that transposes. If you play in one key, fine but when you hit that transpose button, you are starting to deceive people into do something you really can't do.
That all depends on your motives as a musician. Not everbody is playing in order make an impression on others. If they are playing soley for God and themselves, then they arent decieving anyone.True, context and motive is important. If you transpose to get out of a jam but your intent is to be fluent in all keys, then I don't have a problem with that. Honestly, I don't have a problem with those that are cool with transposing. It doesn't affect me and my musical goals. I have more issues with "producers" that sequence things they can't play than I do with some guy transposing.
I can't say they aren't musicians. You have all kinds of skill levels but if you can play, even if only in one key, I can't take that away from you. Granted transposers are quite limited, but they are still musicians to me.
Yes and no.CO-SIGN!!!!!!
Yes- see midi's answer + I think God would rather use a transposer with a heart for worship, than a "beast" with a bad attitude and a poor relationship with Relationship with him.
No- If you've been playing piano for 5, 10, 20 years, and you cant sit down on a real piano or organ and play in whatever key is thrown at you, then you evidently dont take playing seriously
Would you consider a transposer, a real musicians?? Yes or No?? Explain your answer.
I have more issues with "producers" that sequence things they can't play than I do with some guy transposing.
Would you consider a transposer, a real musicians??....My answer is 'No', because you are mainly tricking people into believe you can do something you really aren't doing.
there are some who play in all keys but don't make too much of a sense as those playing in like 4 keys only.
well to those who transpose i believe its time they start trying other keys, i think it's laziness
The only reason musicians cant play in every key, is because they dont practice in every key.
My point is, the more "keys" / scales you learn, the more the relations of the notes in the board become a clear to you & you are empowered to play "that & more" since...blahblahblah..
A simple example is a song that modulates up a whole step & then modulates down a half step..or modulates by 4 whole steps..when will you get the time to hit the transpose button 4 times & still sound good ::)
A simple example is a song that modulates up a whole step & then modulates down a half step..or modulates by 4 whole steps..when will you get the time to hit the transpose button 4 times & still sound good ::)
What song does that?
Musicians that have a good sense of pitch or perfect pitch tend to have that issue. I had to transpose one playing for a wedding. The groom asked me the night before. I knew the song but I had no idea the singer could not sing it in the proper key. It felt really weird (kinda sounded weird too) but I got through it.
I think I said this before, but, the location of the notes are very important to me. I wouldnt want to reach for an Ab and hear a C.
Musicians that have a good sense of pitch or perfect pitch tend to have that issue. I had to transpose one playing for a wedding. The groom asked me the night before. I knew the song but I had no idea the singer could not sing it in the proper key. It felt really weird (kinda sounded weird too) but I got through it.
I've played on keyboards that sombody else left transposed, and I imedietly knew something was wrong.
I think I have perfect pitch only when I'm at the keyboard.(if that makes sense)
Maybe you have relative pitch.
I think I have perfect pitch only when I'm at the keyboard.(if that makes sense)
Good.
So we areall in agreement that transposers are evil mud-guzzlers?
Maybe you have relative pitch.
I hate when people leave keyboards transposed.
What song does that?
Finally, transposing is not "deception", but rather "limitations". He's not transposing to "pull one over on the people", but rather because that's the only current skill option he has.
Now, this is where I disagree wit u. In essence, I believe a person who uses transpose is trying to "pull one over on the people". If you can't play in a certain key that someone is singing in, the "real" thing to do would be to not play. Even if the song has to be sung acapella, the musician is still being real because he/she can't play in that key.
Now, that's the "real" thing to do, IMO. Of course, in order to keep the service going, most will indeed hit that button. Just realize that when that happens, u have crossed over into the "faker" category for that one instance.
It's like saying if a person goes to the store and buys a cake (or any kind of food), then serves it to some people claiming that they baked (cooked) it. Now, if no one notices the difference and assumes they made the cake (or food item), does that make them a real cook? I liken this to a transposer, they are non-verbally saying that they can in fact play in the key at hand, when they really just hit a button. Ya feel me?
If you can't play in a certain key that someone is singing in, the "real" thing to do would be to not play. Even if the song has to be sung acapella, the musician is still being real because he/she can't play in that key.
Now, this is where I disagree wit u. In essence, I believe a person who uses transpose is trying to "pull one over on the people". If you can't play in a certain key that someone is singing in, the "real" thing to do would be to not play. Even if the song has to be sung acapella, the musician is still being real because he/she can't play in that key.And again I say, it's really not that serious IMO.
Now, that's the "real" thing to do, IMO. Of course, in order to keep the service going, most will indeed hit that button. Just realize that when that happens, u have crossed over into the "faker" category for that one instance.
It's like saying if a person goes to the store and buys a cake (or any kind of food), then serves it to some people claiming that they baked (cooked) it. Now, if no one notices the difference and assumes they made the cake (or food item), does that make them a real cook? I liken this to a transposer, they are non-verbally saying that they can in fact play in the key at hand, when they really just hit a button. Ya feel me?
Man, you betta hit that button, then go home and practice. This remind of the Dave chappel skit, " keep it real."
And again I say, it's really not that serious IMO.
And again I say, it's really not that serious IMO.
I understand what you're trying to say. I simply disagree.
And again I say, it's really not that serious IMO.
That's fine.No clash here. You'll never hear me say it's cool to transpose. I just don't have the energy to bash those that do it. I'm much more interested in developing my own skills.
That's fine as well. It's very serious to me though. I take everything about music more seriously than your average musician, so of course my views are gonna clash wit a lot of yall.
Now, this is where I disagree wit u. In essence, I believe a person who uses transpose is trying to "pull one over on the people". If you can't play in a certain key that someone is singing in, the "real" thing to do would be to not play. Even if the song has to be sung acapella, the musician is still being real because he/she can't play in that key.
Now, that's the "real" thing to do, IMO. Of course, in order to keep the service going, most will indeed hit that button. Just realize that when that happens, u have crossed over into the "faker" category for that one instance.
Precisely..
Rador, you made a point that some people might play in all the 12 keys but "not make much sense..."..
Let me start off...If it's about comparison, I'd say go deeper than just saying this one makes "sense"..btw, I think you wanted to say they don't play a piece as well / as advanced as the person playing in the fewer keys? :-\
So in any way (MHO), I'd rather go with that some1 who has shown a great desire to learn & develop in all the keys than the guy who's played around the different eras..
Yes, when you have an important functional you want the "4 keys" guy to play for you because it will sound better, but given that the "12 keys" guy is humble & has a good attitude generally, I can bet my all that that person can go very far in their playing & after a decade, they will sound way more polished than the "4keys" guy...etc etc.
My point is, the more "keys" / scales you learn, the more the relations of the notes in the board become a clear to you & you are empowered to play "that & more" since...blahblahblah..
A simple example is a song that modulates up a whole step & then modulates down a half step..or modulates by 4 whole steps..when will you get the time to hit the transpose button 4 times & still sound good ::)
Exactly.
Ithink I said this before, but, the location of the notes are very important to me. I wouldnt want to reach for an Ab and hear a C.
And when you are backing up a preacher who modulates a lot, they dont always go in half steps. Sometimes they might go down 3 or 4 keys. It will take a transposer a few seconds to transpose and find the new key. A good musician will be able to hear the change in an instant, and wont break the flow.
Now, this is where I disagree wit u. In essence, I believe a person who uses transpose is trying to "pull one over on the people". If you can't play in a certain key that someone is singing in, the "real" thing to do would be to not play. Even if the song has to be sung acapella, the musician is still being real because he/she can't play in that key.
Now, that's the "real" thing to do, IMO. Of course, in order to keep the service going, most will indeed hit that button. Just realize that when that happens, u have crossed over into the "faker" category for that one instance.
It's like saying if a person goes to the store and buys a cake (or any kind of food), then serves it to some people claiming that they baked (cooked) it. Now, if no one notices the difference and assumes they made the cake (or food item), does that make them a real cook? I liken this to a transposer, they are non-verbally saying that they can in fact play in the key at hand, when they really just hit a button. Ya feel me?
To choose option #1 is not only affecting YOU, but the people as well, and perhaps inadvertently, you would have opted to shortchange the service due to personal ego.
I always find it funny how people say "T-block, can I get hel p with this, T-block you are a beast, T-block, I want to be like you", but then when he tell us how get there, we don't listen and cover it up with "I'm doing the Lord's work".
Here is a question is a person who play by a fake book is a real musician?
A-men but this is basically how our "folks" roll. We set our standards so low. We feel we can't obtain the real thing so we fake it.
I always find it funny how people say "T-block, can I get hel p with this, T-block you are a beast, T-block, I want to be like you", but then when he tell us how get there, we don't listen and cover it up with "I'm doing the Lord's work".
he "should" be able to play in ALL keys...
...learn how to play in all 12 keys (if you so desire, of which you should). 8)
"is someone who plays in less than 12 keys, thus have to use the transposer a "real" musician??? I say yes, but with a transposer's touch. But that ain't no "pimp cane", that's a crutch.
Musicians, for you own sakes, "learn to play in all 12 keys!", and for those who refuse, you just won't experience the blessing that playing in all 12 keys will bring you. 8)
A-men but this is basically how our "folks" roll. We set our standards so low. We feel we can't obtain the real thing so we fake it. Musicians transposing, people walking around with fancy cars, jewelery, house... but being broke, etc.Tell us how you really feel Sir...LOL!!! Its tight but its right.
Twenty years ago, we wouldn't even be having this discussion sense churches had "pianos" that people had to learn on.
I always find it funny how people say "T-block, can I get hel p with this, T-block you are a beast, T-block, I want to be like you", but then when he tell us how get there, we don't listen and cover it up with "I'm doing the Lord's work".
Ummmm...i don't think you get that message, from my paticular posts. lol I was very "pacific".
Transpose Buttons are a "crutch"...but you still can't take away the "musicianhood" of the players who use them. They didn't just wake up one morning, and magically know how to play in all 8 of those keys - they had to practice too! lol
We ALL have some limitations (unless we know it all!). Some bigger than others.
So, the most you can say about a "transposer" is:
"Yeah, they're real musicians, but with one of the more unacceptable limitations compared to a 12 key player, Which They SHOULD Correct Immediately!" 8)
Should Marion Jones been stripped of her Gold medals she received in the Olympics for admitting to use steroids?
Stevie Wonder using a transposer in church.................
(hypothetical example)
It better be hypothetical :D
But thats a great example. Would stevie not be a real musician IF he couldnt play in one key?
I was reading the post that says about the fakebook, and I disagree because they are about the same level as yall says about the transposer because if you put a real sheet music in front of them and they rely only playing by the fakebook then they can't play the real piece. If you say it is ok to play a fakebook then it must be ok to use the transpose key. I not disagreeing to other people about learn to play in all keys, but they are real musicians as the people who play by the fakebook.
But if u put a real sheet music in front of them they can not play it.
I disagree because u should be able to it all
O.K., sheet music reading and playing by ear are 2 totally different things that shouldn't be compared to each other at all. Now, like I said before music in a "fake" book is just as real as it is in a real music book. The only difference is the "fake" book has easier versions for those who can't read the full version as well.
There are tons of real musicians who can play in all 12 keys but never learned to read music. The issue here is transposing, not reading music. Reading music is a whole other topic that has nothing to do with anything here.
Also sheet music does go together with by ear because the same patterns in sheet music u can by ear on radio etc
The question is a person who use the transpose key are real musician and the answer is they are as real as the person who use a fakebook
Then your answer is flawed man. That's not even an acceptable comparison, let alone a good one. As soon as u realize that fakebooks contain real music, you will understand.
Then your answer is flawed man. That's not even an acceptable comparison, let alone a good one. As soon as u realize that fakebooks contain real music, you will understand.
Your answer is flawed :DUnder13, you are guilty of copyright violations. How do you plea? ;D
Fake books do not contain real music. It is only 1/4 real.
Under13, you are guilty of copyright violations. How do you plea? ;D
I am not flaw because you said that transposer are not real musician because they are trying to deceive the congregation
Your answer is flawed :D
Fake books do not contain real music. It is only 1/4 real.
Yo T, don't even sweat it man.
Your answer is flawed :D
Fake books do not contain real music. It is only 1/4 real.
This is fake
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I am not flaw because you said that transposer are not real musician because they are trying to deceive the congregation well a person who use a fakebook doing the same thing because in a real situation if you put a piece of a real sheet music without the name of the chord on top and etc they cannot do it because they relied on the fakebook. If a pastor try to hire someone to play the original piece of music and they say they can play the original piece of music (sheet music) and when it is time to peform they cannot do it because they were use to playing by fakebook. Look I am not trying to dispute not using the transpose key but saying they are not real musician is wrong and disrespectful. I think you are a great musician and not out of disrepect trying to cause conflict.
Yeah! *hides her beginner books*
Looks like you are missing my point as well. What I mean by real music is there are notes and chord symbols there. Whether or not it is like the original piece is irrelevant. The music in a fakebook is very much real and can be played just like the music in the original piece is very much real and can be played. Does that make more sense?
Now, this is where I disagree wit u. In essence, I believe a person who uses transpose is trying to "pull one over on the people". If you can't play in a certain key that someone is singing in, the "real" thing to do would be to not play. Even if the song has to be sung acapella, the musician is still being real because he/she can't play in that key.
Now, that's the "real" thing to do, IMO. Of course, in order to keep the service going, most will indeed hit that button. Just realize that when that happens, u have crossed over into the "faker" category for that one instance.
It's like saying if a person goes to the store and buys a cake (or any kind of food), then serves it to some people claiming that they baked (cooked) it. Now, if no one notices the difference and assumes they made the cake (or food item), does that make them a real cook? I liken this to a transposer, they are non-verbally saying that they can in fact play in the key at hand, when they really just hit a button. Ya feel me?
I have to disagree bro...not everybody that "hits the don't hit button" are fakers or trying to pull something over somebody head. after all NON OF US CAME OUT THE WOMB PLAYING ALL KEYS... so you started with one key and i am sure as heck not going to believe you stopped playing when they went to a different key nor didn't believe yourself to be a UP AND COMING MUSICIAN. Just as a basketball player may not know all the tricks in the book, if they play ball, then they are ballers!!! They may not be "professional" but they can ball. I don't consider myself a musician not because I do transpose!!! but because I don't know as much as I think (Key word is I think) I need to know. It has nothing to do with me transposing becaue my desire is not to stay there. my desire is to learn all keys. however in the mist of me learning... if i have to transpose guess what ya girl hittin that buttom proudly and playin those keys proudly in Jesus name. Becasue I don't play to be considered by "people" a musician, I play because of the love I have for music and God. AFter all we all consider David a musician but whos to say he could play in ALL keys.......
I think I said this before, but the only reason people cant play in every key is becaus they dont practic in every key. If you practice every key then you wont need to transpose. It shouldnt take you more than 6 weeks to kick the transpose habbit. Practice 2 keys a week. if you diligently pratice the keys that you arent good in, then you will get better. Trust me, it wll work; a few months go when I first started playng for this church, I was not very good in the key of D. But because they sang almost every song in D, I am now pretty good with D.
Do whatever it takes. If you play well by ear, find songs that are in different keys. If you are into theory, use the number system. And also learn your scales and the proper fingering in every key. Its not that hard. YOu just have to put in the work. You reap what you sow.
I'm glad that my first keyboard did not have a transpose button, and that I didnt even know about it until I had already learned very key
What you're saying comes from the "I don't have a family or anyone but me to take care of" approach to music. Which is fine, if one is in that position.
But, I submit, what does one DURING that "6 week" period. Not play at their church.
Musician: Sorry Pastor; I know you'd like me to play for the services. But, I can't because I'm taking this six week crash course in learning all keys.
Pastor: ?/? :-\
Before you answer, remember, YOU'RE the guy that said that pastors should allow musicians to make mistakes DURING service.
Then do it over 12 or 24 weeks, and only transpose during services and choir rehearsal. There was recently a thread about balancing family life and practice. If you really want to, you will find the time to practice. Turn the TV off and practice. Get up early in the AM and practice. Stay up after the kids and wife/husband are asleep, and practice.
There is a difference betwen making mistakes in service and transposing. Transosing has nothing to do with the pastoer, it has to do with your growth as a musician.
Interesting! I don't know how to use the tranpose button, I guess I better not add that to my things to learn list. ;D
Really? :-\ ::)Amen brother. ;D I still think if we focus on our own skills and ambitions, everything will be just fine. I can't worry about if some other musician is transposing or not.
All I'm saying is, ya'll actin' like using the transpose button WHILE learning to play proficiently in ALL keys is DA DEBIL!
Amen brother. ;D I still think if we focus on our own skills and ambitions, everything will be just fine. I can't worry about if some other musician is transposing or not.
Amen brother. ;D I still think if we focus on our own skills and ambitions, everything will be just fine. I can't worry about if some other musician is transposing or not.
I guess it depends on who the musician is. If you care about their growth, then why would you want them to continue thier bad habbits. Some musicians I dont care about, but some I do.I'm done. :)
Amen brother. ;D I still think if we focus on our own skills and ambitions, everything will be just fine. I can't worry about if some other musician is transposing or not.
All points expressed here are very valid.
I don't advocate using the transpose, but like some1 said once, 1 might be forced to use itjust because that's what will make the service or event flow at the required standard..(this is understandable considering that sometimes in a 2& half hour servive they could do 20 songs in only 2 or 4 keys at max..so even if 1 wanted to get into the habit of using all the keys in the service, you are not given that chance because 1 key is sung in more than the rest.. :() So SisCM, with that as 1 of the reasons, I would advise that you at least know how to use the transpose button in case you might need it, but I'm not calling on you to use it because like Fenix said, you might want to use it for 1 song, but yo end up using it for a decade!! >:(
Yo T, don't even sweat it man.Say that again just a little louder PLEASE!!!
And we know old habits are hard to break and I don't think I even want to go there. Besides I am helping my 7 year old grand daugther and a 13 year old young man learn to play and I have to set good examples for them. I don't think that would be a good example. :)
I think I said this before, but the only reason people cant play in every key is becaus they dont practic in every key. If you practice every key then you wont need to transpose. It shouldnt take you more than 6 weeks to kick the transpose habbit. Practice 2 keys a week. if you diligently pratice the keys that you arent good in, then you will get better. Trust me, it wll work; a few months go when I first started playng for this church, I was not very good in the key of D. But because they sang almost every song in D, I am now pretty good with D.
Do whatever it takes. If you play well by ear, find songs that are in different keys. If you are into theory, use the number system. And also learn your scales and the proper fingering in every key. Its not that hard. YOu just have to put in the work. You reap what you sow.
I'm glad that my first keyboard did not have a transpose button, and that I didnt even know about it until I had already learned very key
Fake it 'til you make it :D
i agree with you it does not take much to kick the habbit but my life isn't that simple. I am extremely busy so when i find time to practice i do, in the mean while I do play at church when my job allows me to be their durning the week. My time is about to open up due to me about to go back to school and I am taking a leave from my job so I will have mre time. I just don't play at church, I wear as they say many different hats and i just can't get everything done in 24 or even 48 hours. but i do agree with you. i don't plan on staying stuck on N i will be in D1 one day (Driving) until then I guess I got to do what I go to do. this does not mean I dont have love for music or I am not dedicated I am just dedicated to more than one thing and I have a lot of things going on. When I do practice I do practice two keys at a time with C# being my strong key, I am starting to dabble in Eb as well.
lol i guess i am a FAKER not to be confused with a LAKER...(i don't like the Lakers) anyways... yea i will do that i guess :-\ ;)
start doing your scales in your unfamilar keys, every day, even if its only for a few minutes. That should help, especialy if you do it with the proper fingering
Interesting! I don't know how to use the tranpose button....
GREAT! So glad you axed. I'll be glad to show you how!
Ok, first...on your keyboard, in the upper right hand corner, press that button with the picture of the devil on it. Then, when you hear that burst of loud laughter, don't be afraid, just let it get into you, until you suddenly find yourself laughing along in the same manner! (that means it's working).
Then, ruuuuuub the button over & over while chanting: "Oh yeah! I've finally found you, this i know, for the button tells me so!" (do that at least 10 times. Some people do it 12 times for every key).
Then finally...PRESS the wonderful button of beauty; hold it, then press ANNNTY key on the keyboard you want!!! Then breathe, exhale, let it out...feel it!
Now when people ask you "SisterCM, how you grow horns on yo head?", you just tell em: "Well, a lotta people can't quite put their finger on it, like i used to be - but i've solved that problem! It's all in the fingers, it's ALL in the fingers!" ([url]http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/innocent/innocent0007.gif[/url]) ([url]http://www.picpiggy.com[/url])
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Kirk Franklin, you'll NEVER be able to Stomp me in ANY key now!!! Muahhh hahahahahhh!
With C# under your belt, you will be amazed at how well & quickly you might learn to play in F# & G# as well..
That's if what happened to me happens to others..
Learning G#/ Ab will also help you learn Eb with much ease..
Well, play it till you master it..
No fakers here ;D
Fake it 'til you make it :D
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Worst piece of advice ever for a musician, SMH. ?/?
Boy you ain't lying!!!!!!!!
Learn to play in Db (or C#) and you will have access to almost all the black keys. If you can make it in Db, Gb and Ab will be pieces of cake.
Its just like G. If you can play in G, you have almost all the white keys nailed pretty much.
That's true. I started in G and picked up C and F immediately afterwards. I've even got B down to a certain degree. E and A still need work, though.
Boy you ain't lying!!!!!!!!
Learn to play in Db (or C#) and you will have access to almost all the black keys. If you can make it in Db, Gb and Ab will be pieces of cake.
Its just like G. If you can play in G, you have almost all the white keys nailed pretty much.
:'( you scurrrrrrrrrring me!
:D :D :D :D :D
I thought you said you wanted to learn how to use it! :D :D
Well, the guys have said it..
These keys go in sets..We might all be slightly different, but it's pretty much close. This is how they worked for me:
G: C & D
Db: Gb & Ab
E: A & B
F: Bb
Eb: Ab & Bb
ETC..
So what is the fuss about learning all the keys? :)
So what is the fuss about learning all the keys? :)
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That was good right there Mus.
^^^^^
ALL good points. What if you decide to play the organ? They dont have transpose. And praise leaders dont always sing in the key you practiced in. You have to play in whatever key they sing in.
Dawg, that is why i MAKE SURE to start playing the song while the praise leader is giving the exhortation. I don't trust them very much so i make sure to play the song very softly so they can get the key in their system.
Dawg, that is why i MAKE SURE to start playing the song while the praise leader is giving the exhortation. I don't trust them very much so i make sure to play the song very softly so they can get the key in their system.
I do that too. But sometimes they will start the second or third song, in whaatever key they want.
I find this to work with most singers (Not the song part,t he key part!)
Pity some faces come into mind at the mention of that..
It's like the person completely isolates their ears from the atmosphere..
I don't mind some1 starting a song that's in their heart, but doing another "off" key is >:( >:( ::)
It just breaks the flow!!!
SOme people you can get them to keep the key by playing louder & louder as you see that they are about to sing, but others are just too "raw" to think about the flow..
anyway, doesn't matter coz once the song is running a new wave can be started ;D
I remember when one of the choir members was leading and she sang off key. The pianist we had at that time just stopped all the musicians and told them to stop playing until she was done. When she was done, he started the song AGAIN in the right key and the choir had to sing the song all over again.
That was a funny day man.
One other issue with my choir is that the people are so used to singing in their respective voice class that it is very hard for them to sing lead. For instance, a tenor was leading p&w on Friday and was trying to teach me the song. I could not get the song cuz he was singing the tenor part and i could not recognize the song at all. ?/?
Wassup with that?
Thats just bad singing. The members of my group were doing that, and the just could not understand why it was wrong
It's not bad singing. It's staying locked into your particular lane, is all. Take the same person, with an alto and a soprano and they'd be fine. Because dude was by himself, he ONLY knows the tenor part and hasn't learned to hear or listen for the other parts.
That person is teachable.
Bad singing is taking a song from the key it's in and putting it somewhere else when it's your turn to solo.....and the song doesn't have a modulation in it at. all. ::)
I started transposing about 2 years ago. It started out because I had worship leaders singing in key of C using a 62 key keyboard I begin liking to hit my low C on the bass line. Then I started having to deal with too many non singers.
Yes I can play most tunes in any key but sometimes you need to just make sure you play it good to keep everyone in a good spirit.
Yes transposers are musicians, but I will not retune my Guitar or Bass for a song.
A much talked about subject buuuuuutttt.......Yes!
Would you consider a transposer, a real musicians?? Yes or No?? Explain your answer.
My answer is 'No', because you are mainly tricking people into believe you can do something you really aren't doing.
WOW!! I Guess I am Not Making the Best Impression on this Messageboard .. Well I've never been one for Popularity ....But Let me Clarify
I Meant EVERY thing I said.... and I Don't REGRET saying it .. Now I didn't Mean to OFFEND my BROTHER but I Don't REGRET saying it whatsoever and I'll Stand by it
REAL MUSICIANS do not TRANSPOSE..
Stevie Wonder using a transposer in church, because he can only play in 11 keys, but the song was in that 12th key is not against any church rules, and nor is Stevie competing against anyone in worship service.
So to say "Stevie Wonder is not a real musician just because of this scenario" (hypothetical example)......Mike Tyson tells me that's "ludicrist!" lol
Stevie is still as bad (meaning good), as we all know, he just has a "limitation" in one key, so he used the transpose button that Sunday and blessed somebody. But Berry Gordy DID tease him afterwards about learning to play in that 12th key! lol 8)
Ok...we have thoroughly worn this topic out. :-\ ;)...
Many can play in every key and modulate on the spot if need be (I started lessons young learning classical piano-"NO" transpose button), but I have used the transpose on rare occasions when I could find it on a keyboard (years later when keyboards became less expensive...lol, it is has been helpful on rare occasions)...
Bottom line on transposing, we all know...it is best to learn how to play in every key, but if you haven't learned all you need to know to play in every key, use the technology that God provided men/women the knowledge to invent (transpose button) to be able help you...
Yes...you are a musician if you can only play in "1" key...you just need to learn the rest of the keys and perfect God's gift to you....
NOTE: just don't depend on the transpose button...make it your plan to learn every key fluently! :) 8)...JM2$C...IMHO!
Some1 please close & archive this topic :D :D
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Good suggestion
*transposes*
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES, OH
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
AND THIS IS HOW IT GOES
DOOT- DOOT - DOOT
*transposes*
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES, OH
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
AND THIS IS HOW IT GOES
DOOT- DOOT - DOOT
*transposes*
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES, OH
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
AND THIS IS HOW IT GOES
DOOT- DOOT - DOOT
*transposes*
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES, OH
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
AND THIS IS HOW IT GOES
DOOT- DOOT - DOOT
*transposes*
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES, OH
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
AND THIS IS HOW IT GOES
DOOT- DOOT - DOOT
*transposes*
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES, OH
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
AND THIS IS HOW IT GOES
DOOT- DOOT - DOOT
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES, OH
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
AND THIS IS HOW IT GOES
DOOT- DOOT - DOOT
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES, OH
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
AND THIS IS HOW IT GOES
DOOT- DOOT - DOOT
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES
EVERYBODY'S NERVES, OH
I KNOW A SONG THAT GETS ON EVERYBODY'S NERVES
AND THIS IS HOW IT GOES
DOOT- DOOT - DOOT...
that make yall a faker too because i know when we all started playing some point of time we had to transpose and come back to whatever key we want to learn. I did it when I first started playing but,
To be honest some musicians might have to transpose at a point of time...especially if they are just starting out and want to get some experience and want to learn... when I started I use to use the transpose button but it was still learning to me...So no matter if yall think "transposers" are "fakers" that make yall a faker too because i know when we all started playing some point of time we had to transpose and come back to whatever key we want to learn. I did it when I first started playing but, once you start to get experience and understand what you doing then you want have to transpose no more.. I learn how to play out of every key but not as effective as I want but Im still learning.. Get off the transposers back they'll get it sometime....Everybody can't learn everything at once...I learned how to play at different sometimes, Still trying to get effective in some keys...yall have to understand that nobody can learn anything more then what they know over night...If it bothers them then trust me they'll get it.... I was like that...Of course I still have things to learn but ima get there..
I think the horse is DEAD folks! Beating him more is just plain demented, insane, asinine, ludicrous, insidious, pitiful, pathetic......... I have a lot more, but I know when to quit.
I think we already established that transposers are real musicians, they just arent skilled musicians. knowing your scales and basic chords in every key is a basic skill. There is no reason why someone who has been playing for over a year, should not to know the most basic fundamentals of theory.
In every other profession, the worker will learn the basic principles needed to do the Job. A musician who does not know his keys, is like a Pastor who does not know the bible, or a mechanic who cant change a flat tire. So why when it comes to music, do we make up every single excuse we can think to defend our lazyness?
1st off i really feel that they are muscians. Everybody not gon be a monster on the keys. Im all about the music. Meaning if it sounds good and its on key then we can do business. Sum musicians out there really cut on people that cant do every key and i feel as though thats arrogance. Now if you willin to show the person more than thats fine but dont try to play nobody. I hate arrogance, I HATE ARROGANCE and i think people tend to forget about the purpose of the gift God gave them. I bet u u can take a dude that may only know 2 keys and bring the house down in comparison to a dude that do runs with his feet. Its all about the annointing. So yes they are musicians.
The NSA will be sending you a welcome basket. Please open it when you are at least 20 feet from innocent bystanders.
-Thank You.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I thought the NSA was shut down!!!
The person that created the transpose button should be shot.
The person that created the transpose button should be shot.
I hope the previous message closes this topic once and for all
OK, so today my church goes to fellowship with another church. They have PnW, Our Choir gets up, our pastor is on the keyboard, I'm on the organ. He starts the song, It sounds kinda off..... I know we did it this morning in C, now he's doing it in F. even though I've never done it in that key, I still played it fine. Then we do the next song which we rehearsed in E, but he does it in A, by that time I've figured out that the previous player must have had it transposed + 5. And that song, was more uptempo and I couldnt really play it too well in A, so I struggled though it.
So now I think I'm changing my position on Transposers. They may be musicians, but they are definatley incompetent, and they should at least have the courtesy to untranspose when they leave the instrument.
OK, so today my church goes to fellowship with another church. They have PnW, Our Choir gets up, our pastor is on the keyboard, I'm on the organ. He starts the song, It sounds kinda off..... I know we did it this morning in C, now he's doing it in F. even though I've never done it in that key, I still played it fine. Then we do the next song which we rehearsed in E, but he does it in A, by that time I've figured out that the previous player must have had it transposed + 5. And that song, was more uptempo and I couldnt really play it too well in A, so I struggled though it.
So now I think I'm changing my position on Transposers. They may be musicians, but they are definatley incompetent, and they should at least have the courtesy to untranspose when they leave the instrument.
a. How did your pastor NOT know the song was in the wrong key?
b. Why didn't he stop and start again?
a. How did your pastor NOT know the song was in the wrong key?
b. Why didn't he stop and start again?
This subject is still going on? I thought we already established that transposers are musicians just like athletes that use steroids are athletes. :)''
Yea, let's talk about something NEW!
Do you guys think Church Musicians should be paid? :P
Do you guys think Church Musicians should be paid? :P
Thanks for reminding me, I gotta get up and go to the bank ;D
I have no idea. I didnt get to speak to him about it. He's a pretty good player (better than me), but I think he's more into memorization of the chords, instead of just playing by ear, so maybe he didnt notice. IDK.
Hmm, chord memorization is not the coolest way to go. My bassist warned me about just relying purely on muscle memory when playing a song. The reason he told me to try and actually hear and understand the progression is that if i should forget what chord comes next, then i am screwed. This has happened to me a few times when i had to rush learn a song. I had just memorized the chord shapes and all. Then when i started playing and forgot ONE chord shape, i fell apart. :)
Not to keep talking about this, but I went to a concert in the bronx recently where one group was up and the guy on boards transposed. The group that got up after them started and everything was jacked. They stopped the song...the keyboardist happened to be a popular musician in NYC and he grabbed the mike and blasted the guy who transposed. It was the funniest thing in the world.
Not to keep talking about this, but I went to a concert in the bronx recently where one group was up and the guy on boards transposed. The group that got up after them started and everything was jacked. They stopped the song...the keyboardist happened to be a popular musician in NYC and he grabbed the mike and blasted the guy who transposed. It was the funniest thing in the world.
"To the wannabe keyboardist who transposed this keyboard: Please reset the board when you're done for the sake of the REAL musicians who play after you. Go out and cop my DVD and learn somethin.....chump."
:D
My God! I hope you're making that up!
Not to keep talking about this, but I went to a concert in the bronx recently where one group was up and the guy on boards transposed. The group that got up after them started and everything was jacked. They stopped the song...the keyboardist happened to be a popular musician in NYC and he grabbed the mike and blasted the guy who transposed. It was the funniest thing in the world.
"To the wannabe keyboardist who transposed this keyboard: Please reset the board when you're done for the sake of the REAL musicians who play after you. Go out and cop my DVD and learn somethin.....chump."
:D
I can't say they aren't musicians. You have all kinds of skill levels but if you can play, even if only in one key, I can't take that away from you. Granted transposers are quite limited, but they are still musicians to me.
To me,Transposers are musicians, BUT, they are not keyboardists,
*sings*
This is the thread that never ends.
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Somebody started up the thread not knowing what it does
And they'll just keep on arguing forever just because
This is the thread that never ends.
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Somebody started up the thread not knowing what it does
And they'll just keep on arguing forever just because
*transposes*
You know, I am a transposer. My skill level is not that great, I'm doing the best I can to teach myself with the help of such great musicians on this website as yourselves. Although I may not be a "real" musician to some of you, TO GOD BE THE GLORY I am a REAL worshiper, with a REAL heart towards GOD and a REAL heart towards ministry, and in the end, that's all that matters. What I do, I do it as unto the Lord, and I am believing HIM for the increase. God bless you all, and may God continue to use you ALL for the edification of the Body of Christ, and for the Advancement of the Kingdom.
It's the other way around to me man. They are keyboardists because the keyboard is the instrument they use transpose on. Ain't no luck on an acoustic piano. ;)
Lemme ask you this young man(or lady). How would you feel if someone transposed the keyboard you had to play on and didn't change it back when done? Improving on your instrument comes with discipline that you have to be willing to factor into your playing. Don't settle for what you can do only with a certain "adjustment." Work towards being the best keyboardist you can be where you can play anything put before you without messing with that doggone button.
Hmm, chord memorization is not the coolest way to go. My bassist warned me about just relying purely on muscle memory when playing a song. The reason he told me to try and actually hear and understand the progression is that if i should forget what chord comes next, then i am screwed. This has happened to me a few times when i had to rush learn a song. I had just memorized the chord shapes and all. Then when i started playing and forgot ONE chord shape, i fell apart. :)
Not to keep talking about this, but I went to a concert in the bronx recently where one group was up and the guy on boards transposed. The group that got up after them started and everything was jacked. They stopped the song...the keyboardist happened to be a popular musician in NYC and he grabbed the mike and blasted the guy who transposed. It was the funniest thing in the world.
"To the wannabe keyboardist who transposed this keyboard: Please reset the board when you're done for the sake of the REAL musicians who play after you. Go out and cop my DVD and learn somethin.....chump."
:D
"To the wannabe keyboardist who transposed this keyboard: Please reset the board when you're done for the sake of the REAL musicians who play after you. Go out and cop my DVD and learn somethin.....chump."
:D
WOW!!!! I hope that didn't happen either. :D :D :DCosign!!
Seriously......In my opinion everybody has room for improvement and I don't agree with putting people on blast. I play in every key, but I would never look down on someone that didn't know every key whether they've played for 2 or 10 years. It is very important to learn all of your keys, but I can take it up a notch and say learn perfect pitch which would have prevented the "well known musician" from not knowing the keys were transposed in the first place which messed up his group. No musician has it all together to where they should feel they are so great that they need to blast people during concerts or services. He could have waited until after service and had a talk with the guy to give him tips and encouraged him to learn every key.
It's the other way around to me man. They are keyboardists because the keyboard is the instrument they use transpose on. Ain't no luck on an acoustic piano. ;)I'm pretty sure thats what i meant to say... who knows? ;)
Im all for tough love but....."Go out an cop my DVD and learn somethin....chump!" at a concert, in the microphone??? ?/?
Hey 3rd day, I think u got it confused. That statement is something that RJ says he would've said to the dude, that's not what really happened.
AND I BET EVERYONE ON HERE HAS TRANSPOSED??WE ALL DO IT AT SOME TIME UNTIL WE GET TO DAT LEVEL
And I bet u would lose that bet. No one has to transpose, ever. It's up to the individual. There are people to this day who have never transposed anything and u can believe they are on this site.
...and lock ;D
...and lock ;D
I think the intent of this thread is to encourage the up coming musicians not to rely totally on transposing, but to learn to play in all keys. If you are in the very beginning level, don’t start out transposing.
If you dont like the thread, dont open it, and let everyone else continue their conversation. :)
We guitarists don't have this problem. :D
We guitarists don't have this problem. :D
We guitarists don't have this problem. :D
NO ONE STARTS OFF PLAYING FLUENTLY IN ALL KEYS...IN MY CASE I RECENTLY STOPPED TRANSPOSING LOL BUT IM A DRUMMER AT HEART AND I HAD TO LEARN ON THE SPOT TRAINING ON THE KEYS TO FILL IN FOR THE MUSICIAN WHO LEFT..THERE NO WAY I COULD HAVE MADE IT THROUGH A SERVICE WITHOUT TRANSPOSING...IT TAKES TIME AND EFFORT TO PLAY IN ALL KEYS FLUENTLY>.AND I BET EVERYONE ON HERE HAS TRANSPOSED??WE ALL DO IT AT SOME TIME UNTIL WE GET TO DAT LEVELI NEVER TRANSPOSED A DAY IN MY LIFE >:( but you are right no one starts off playing fluently in all keys and it doesnt help when all the gospel songs are in Ab either :D its just most musicians especially gospel musicians get put out to play at an early state and they get comfortable with it because they can get by
This thread will never die. Even after the Rapture, this thread will still keep going. :D
Under13, there was a thread talking about a "complete musician" or something of that effect right? :D
yo no se.
Wow!
In all sincerity ,most of the people here
condemning people who use transpose button
are the ones who need re-orientation in their psyche.
1st of all, consider the fact that the transposer guy
may not even have enough time to rehearse songs in all keys.
So what do u expect him to do? He should back off the keyboard on sunday cos he
doesn't know how to play the song in its original key; c'mon guys.
Its very possible the guy doesn't know much about theory on how to play several keys and BTW all of u crying that a TRANSPOSER is this or that... How many people can boldly point to you and say thank God becos you helped developed their play
Don't have much to say for now but let us learn to address issues as they are.
God bless
But at the same time why does a musician get a free pass?? Does the preacher get a pass for preaching the same message everysunday just using different words??
Transposing is the worst crutch of all time. You get nowhere fast using it. BEcause EVERYONE ive ever know to transpose has had that "oh crap" moment where they got publically blasted...
You wanna be a beast? stop transposing
You wanna do ya church justice? stop transposing
You wanna have a sense of fulfillment at the end then come back to LGM and be like "yall told me so"?
STOP TRANSPOSING!!!!!
Since this is a question geared toward the individual to answer for themselves, yall already know what I'm gonna say: REAL MUSICIANS PLAY IN EVERY KEY!!!
So, to answer the question, transposers are not REAL musicians. They are still "musicians" to some degree, but outside of their key, they are "fakers". In the past I've said that transposers aren't musicians at all, but I have to take that one back.
The way I approached this question is with attitude, heart, behavior, and all that stuff aside. I looked strictly at playing ability. Like 4hisglory said, if u can play in only one key and u do just that, then u are in fact a REAL musician, who at that particular point in time can only play in one key. As soon as u hit dat T-button, u cross the line into the "faker" category for that particular key. Does that make sense to anyone?
I truly find all the responses interesting especially this one. I can speak from experience as a Minister of Music, it’s often frustrating when you have someone who has to transpose everything, but on the other hand I have had even worst experiences with nasty musicians who can play in every key. I think a real musician is someone who realizes the that the craft is never perfected and is a stage that always changes as time progress. I had a unique situation recently. A young man came to my service and he was a transposer but he could read music. I have another music who could play in every key but couldn't read a thing. So who is the real musician? A music major who can't play the piano in every key but plays every other instrument in the band well and reads music or a man who plays in every key with ease but can’t read a note? So when you speak of ability, what defines the borders of what musical ability to say what a REAL musician is?
Hi musallio! ^_^ Long time, no see! How's it going?
Hi Koda :)
Yeah, it's been a sad period for me--I was away from practising, playing & more importantly, my fam!! :(
I finally managed to settle in this new place, couriered my board, identified a church where I could assist in the music department etc.
I'm glad to see that you guys are still keeping the family strong.
Saying I missed you guys really isn't enough to express my grief- you guys are really my heartbeat!
To everyone who has not seen this ([url]http://www.hearandplay.com/mtreport.pdf[/url]), please download & read. I was really assessing my areas of lack as I read through it.
I know soon enough I'll be as good as you Koda ;D ;)
that's a real good read! thanks for sharing!!
To everyone who has not seen this ([url]http://www.hearandplay.com/mtreport.pdf[/url]), please download & read. I was really assessing my areas of lack as I read through it.
I know soon enough I'll be as good as you Koda ;D ;)
But at the same time why does a musician get a free pass?? Does the preacher get a pass for preaching the same message everysunday just using different words??I can admit, I'm not the best organist out there by far but, I can play in every key. However, I don't like to play in some keys. We all know that every one of us musicians out there have our comfort keys. On to the reason for my post;
Transposing is the worst crutch of all time. You get nowhere fast using it. BEcause EVERYONE ive ever know to transpose has had that "oh crap" moment where they got publically blasted...
You wanna be a beast? stop transposing
You wanna do ya church justice? stop transposing
You wanna have a sense of fulfillment at the end then come back to LGM and be like "yall told me so"?
STOP TRANSPOSING!!!!!
On a side note, I usually open a can of worms with this one, if I'm expected to play in every key I think real singers should be able to sing in every key.
I think a real musician is one who does not try to pretend he is something he's not.
Yes and no.
Yes- see midi's answer + I think God would rather use a transposer with a heart for worship, than a "beast" with a bad attitude and a poor relationship with Relationship with him.
No- If you've been playing piano for 5, 10, 20 years, and you cant sit down on a real piano or organ and play in whatever key is thrown at you, then you evidently dont take playing seriously
WOW, I just happened upon this topic. Let me give my situation. Im truly a bass player. I started going to a church that has a full band. The only slot that was open was secondary keys. Now, being a musician I could either sit back and not play since the bass chair was taken. Or, play keys since im decent in Db. Well I tool the keys route. a few weeks later the main keyboardist decided to leave the church. So now im the only keyboardist. I'd much rather be playing bass but Im was more needed on keys. I transpose every Sunday. There are a few songs I can play in Eb but mostly in Db. I do have some knowledge in theory because of playing bass but I still lean to transposing. At my church we do alot of songs with the 1 4 5 and occasional minor 6 progressions. So I can play some songs in a few of the white keys but when It comes to flowing in worship, I can only do that in Db. Am I wrong? My heart really is not in playing keys so I just do what I can. I do sometimes feel I need to practice in all the keys but then I feel like I'm taking practice away from my bass.
N LEAVING I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION>> people who drive automatics instead of sticks..are they real drivers? JUst because someone chooses to use the technology doesnt make them any less than anyone else.. SO i thank the Lord for those of you who dont transpose, because you continue to set the standards that keep us fake musicians try to be real!!!!
LOL:)
I was like "I wonder how T-Block would respond to that." ;D
You already know. ;)something similar happened to me a few weeks ago. We were on program at another church and it was some sort of spiritual soul bowl. 4 different churches involved, each had to sing 1 song and their pastor preach a 15 minute sermon. Well, I had my youth there, I went to play a song in F as soon as I started playing it my bass player looked at me like uhhhh no, I knew it sounded off as well. I let it ride for just that song, while the pastor was preaching I couldn't find the transpose button for the life of me, its an older clavinova with some of the buttons/letters rubbed off. The guy who played it before me seriously kept ignoring me...... Inconsiderate musicians, gotta love 'em.
If you know how the tranpose button works, then it's cool to just tell the visiting musician how to do it. But, make sure when they done, reset it.
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True story:
I was at this church last Friday cuz my mom had to preach. The church we were visiting had a double stack keyboard. I'm not really used to playing them, but I welcomed the challenge. Anyway, I go to play on one of the keyboards and it was cool. However, once I started playing on the other keyboard, I noticed that the 2 weren't sounding right together. How about, the house musician had one keyboard in one key and the other keyboard in a totally different key.
I was like W.I.T.W.? Oh, I called him up quick andtoldasked him to just reset both of them. I mean how disrespectful can you get by not telling me that the 2 keyboards were in 2 totally different keys. I was mad, but I kept it moving. Some people need to just get on the grind and stop being lazy.
Ladies and gentlemen let me speak my foolishness once: "Music was created to be done in 12 keys, so anything done otherwise will always lead to imperfection"
15 keys (12 playbable + 3 enharmonics), lol. I agree wit you man 100%!!! :D
Hey T u've got to teach me something here, I wonder why I've always missed that in theory-I knew that when ever I stumble you wouldn't let me fall.
God bless you.
The word enharmonic means the same keys on keyboard, but spelled different on paper. For example, the note Bb can also be named A#. Both of those notes are the same note on the keyboard, but one is spelled with a flat and the other one is spelled with sharp. Same for some of the keys. Here are all the keys:
C
C#/Db *enharmonic
D
Eb
E
F
F#/Gb *enharmonic
G
Ab
A
Bb
B/Cb *enharmonic
If you add up each individual key, you get a total of 15. I've played music that has been written in each of those 15 keys. A lot of people are more comfortable with either flats or sharps, so when it comes to those enharmonic keys, they choose which one they want to write in. Other times, you look at the chords of the whole piece to pick the best key to write in.
I see where you are going, but I think thats different. Driving is not an art or a craft to most people. Now if you said "race car driver" then yes, if they cant drive a stick, they arent a real driver. :D :D
I dont think most people have problems with casual players who transpose, but when you are a pro, you are supposed to know your craft, and playing in every key is one of the most basic parts of playing. the bible said for musicians to play skillfully, not just play any old way.
I agree with the other guy. A keyboard is not a piano, like a Hammond is not a pipe organ. They're different instruments. You can be a musician and only learn on a keyboard, if you ask me. It's just, like any other craftsman, you need to bring your own tools, if you're asked to perform.
It's like saying that one isn't a photographer, because they edit their photos in photoshop, and can't get the same results from a camera. There are some things that a pitchbender, modulation wheel, and transpose allow a keyboardist to do that are impossible on a normal piano.
As for people bringing their own tools, I've seen musicians (usually old people) bring their $99 casios to a church, and honestly they look kinda silly when there is a top of the line Motif sitting there. :D
That means NOTHING. So what u got a top of the line keyboard, if I can't use it then to me it's garbage. If they feel more comfortable on they $99 keyboard, then that's just them. It's all in how u use a keyboard that truly makes the difference. BTJM!
My point is, as a pro you should be able to play just about anything that's put in front of you (within reason). That means you should educate yourself on how to get to the basic piano sounds on the motif, fantom triton etc... but you dont have to agree...
If you shoot in raw, you don't need to know any of that, as long as you can get something captured.
I suck when I play acoustic piano sounds on a keyboard without weighted keys. I ALSO suck when I play a keyboard without a sustain pedal. I absolutely need my sustain pedal! LOL
Not quite. You cant change your aperture in photoshop. If you take a group photo at f1.4 and only the first row of people are in focus, theres not much you can do in Post processing. Same with shutter speed. Yeah, you can use Auto mode, but the camera often chooses settings that dont work for what you need to do. :P
I dont see it like that....I dont even see what we're talking about as downplaying someone...Well I guess that depends on the person's motives...
you are talking about transposers there are 2 different kind of transposers if I am correct there is the one that uses the button and it transposes and then there is that one who can transpose by knowing their key signatures and move to whatever key they need to move to correct me if i'm wrong I can't play and that's all my fault but that's another story :D forgive my run on sentences ;D