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Gospel Instruments => General Music Hangout => Topic started by: MrTea on October 14, 2006, 11:46:54 PM
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The Circle of Fifths, is a concept use by jazz musicians to practice playing ii,V, I, chord patterns in all keys. Its called the circle of fifths because you will come full circle back to where you started. The root moves down in fifths and up in forths, or, up in forths and down in fifths around a circle sort of. In the right hand you play the 3rd and 7th (or 6th) of the chord. The left hand plays the root or 1 chord tone. Its best to play the left hand root an octive below the right hand 3, 7th voicing.. Also you can play the root(1) and the seventh(7th) in the left hand for a more fuller sound. The third and seventh determine the chord type. Whether it is major, minor, or dominate. This method allows the jazz musician to play a melody on top of the 3, and 7 or 7, and 3, in the right hand. Check out, 'Jazz open voicings' for keyboards by Dick Grove for more information. Its been around since the eighties, but you may be able to find it at www.sheetmusicplus.com for about $14.00.
Key: Signiture LH=Root(1) RH= 3rd, 7th Pattern Chord
1: C: D F, C 2 Dmi7
G F, B 5 G7
C E, B 1 Cmaj7
2: F; b G Bb, F 2 Gmi7
C Bb, E 5 C7
F A, E 1 Fmaj7
3: Bb bb C, Eb, Bb 2 Cmi7
F, Eb, A 5 F7
Bb D A 1 Bbmaj7
4: Eb bbb F Ab, Eb 2 Fmi7
Bb Ab, D 5 Bb7
Eb G D 1 Ebmaj7
5: Ab bbbb Bb Db, Ab 2 Bbmi7
Eb Db G 5 Eb7
Ab C G 1 Abmaj7
6: Db bbbbb Eb Gb Db 2 Ebmi7
Ab Gb C 5 Ab7
Db F C 1 Dbmaj7
7. Gb bbbbbb Ab B Gb 2 Abmi7
Db B F 5 Db7
Gb Bb F 1 Gbmaj7
8. F# ###### G# B F# 2 G#mi7
C# B F 5 C#7
F# A# F 1 F#maj7
9. B ##### C# E B 2 C#mi7
F# E A# 5 F#7
B D# A# 1 Bmaj7
10. E #### F# A E 2 F#mi7
B A D# 5 B7
E G# D# 1 Emaj7
11. A ### B D A 2 Bmi7
E D G# 5 E7
A C# G# 1 Amaj7
12. D ## E G D 2 Emi7
A G C# 5 A7
D F# C# 1 Dmaj7
13. G # A C G 2 Ami7
D C F# 5 D7
G B F# 1 Gmaj7
14. C D F C 2 Dmi7
G F B 5 G7
C E B 1 Cmaj7
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Jazz Theory Mark Levine is a good source too.
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Thanks for the info MrTea
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You are welcome, hope this help.
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Thanks for the refresher course, MrTea!
Be Blessed!
Ladymusic88
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You are welcome Ladymusic88.
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Just in case there are some people who still don't understand the circle of 5ths, here is another way to look at it:
The circle of 5ths tells you how many sharps or flats are in each key. Moving clockwise (right), the notes move in 5ths. Moving counter-clockwise (left), the notes move in 4ths. I can't show you a circle, but I can put it in a form that illustrates this, u can try to draw it if you want to:
C = 0 sharps or flats (12 o'clock)
G = 1 sharp; F# (1 o'clock)
D = 2 sharps; F#, C# (2 o'clock)
A = 3 sharps; F#, C#, G# (3 o'clock)
E = 4 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D# (4 o'clock)
B/Cb = 5 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A# (5 o'clock) / 7 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Cb, Fb
F#/Gb = 6 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E# / 6 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Cb (6 o'clock)
Db/C# = 5 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb (7 o'clock) / 7 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E#, B#
Ab = 4 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db (8 o'clock)
Eb = 3 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab (9 o'clock)
Bb = 2 flats; Bb, Eb (10 o'clock)
F = 1 flat; Bb (11 o'clock)
The keys C# and Cb aren't usually present in the circle (i just added them there), but there is a reason why. Notice that the circle starts with C, having no sharps or flats. Now, the key of C# has everything being sharped, and the Cb has everything being flatted. So, what you can do is make a separate circle for the sharps, and a separate circle for the flats, and it could go on forever. I'll show you a little of each:
Sharps Circle
C = 0 sharps (12 o'clock)
G = 1 sharp; F# (1 o'clock)
D = 2 sharps; F#, C# (2 o'clock)
A = 3 sharps; F#, C#, G# (3 o'clock)
E = 4 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D# (4 o'clock)
B = 5 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A# (5 o'clock)
F#= 6 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E#
C# = 7 sharps / all sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E#, B# (12 o'clock)
G = 1 double sharp; F## (1 o'clock)
D = 2 double sharps; F##, C## (2 o'clock)
A = 3 double sharps; F##, C##, G## (3 o'clock)
etc.
Flats Circle
C = 0 flats (12 o'clock)
F = 1 flat; Bb (11 o'clock)
Bb = 2 flats; Bb, Eb (10 o'clock)
Eb = 3 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab (9 o'clock)
Ab = 4 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db (8 o'clock)
Db = 5 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb (7 o'clock)
Gb = 6 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Cb (6 o'clock)
C = 7 flats / all flats; (12 o'clock)
F = 1 double flat; Bbb (11 o'clock)
Bb = 2 double flats; Bbb, Ebb (10 o'clock)
Eb = 3 double flats; Bbb, Ebb, Abb (9 o'clock)
You see that? Theory stuff can go on into infinity, but to make things easier, we try to keep it as simple as possible. Can you imagine trying to read music containing a bunch of double sharps and flats?
Like I said, this is just another way of explaining this concept. If anyone else wants to add in some stuff here, feel free to do so. I'm making this a sticky so the information will always be visible.
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The circle of fifths is a western European use of tonality or key structure that was actually being used back in the 18th century-and earlier. It's important to know, because it teaches you about tendency/leading tones. If you study how contemporary music is structured you'll find the the majority of the music we listen to is based on the circle of fifths(or a substitution of the 5th).
At this point in history composers and players use it instinctively because it just sounds right.
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I never saw the Circle like this before ... thanks for the progressions. I like how they sound!
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Well, I'm glad you can use them. Yes, these simple three note chord patterns are the secrete to playing songs in any key. With a little practice, your fingers will know where to go without even thinking about it. And then you can add 5ths,9ths, llths, or 13ths notes for a little extra seasoning. LOL :D ::)
God Bless
MrTea
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I have a question regarding the ease of modulation using the circle of fifths.
Now i understand its use and i employ it in my practice routine, but what puzzles me is that if i am in the key of F and i wish to mudulate to Ab. Does this mean i have to travel through Bb and Eb just to get there?
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That's one way of doing it. Or you could take the direct approach:
1 F/AE =FM7 1
Bb/AD =BbM7 4
Ab/GC =AbM7 1
or
2 Walk up to Ab;
F/AE =FM7 1
G/BbF =Gm7 2
Ab/CG =AbM7 1 in the new key
3 or you can take the II, V approach through several keys to get to Ab;
C/BbEb =Cm7 2
F/AEb =F7 5
B/AD =Bm7 2
E/AbD =E7 5
Bb/AbDb =Bbm7 2
Eb/GDb =Eb7 5
Ab/GC =AbM7 1
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Alright. Thank You very much MrTea.
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Just in case there are some people who still don't understand the circle of 5ths, here is another way to look at it:
The circle of 5ths tells you how many sharps or flats are in each key. Moving clockwise (right), the notes move in 5ths. Moving counter-clockwise (left), the notes move in 4ths. I can't show you a circle, but I can put it in a form that illustrates this, u can try to draw it if you want to:
C = 0 sharps or flats (12 o'clock)
G = 1 sharp; F# (1 o'clock)
D = 2 sharps; F#, C# (2 o'clock)
A = 3 sharps; F#, C#, G# (3 o'clock)
E = 4 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D# (4 o'clock)
B/Cb = 5 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A# (5 o'clock) / 7 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Cb, Fb
F#/Gb = 6 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E# / 6 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Cb (6 o'clock)
Db/C# = 5 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb (7 o'clock) / 7 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E#, B#
Ab = 4 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db (8 o'clock)
Eb = 3 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab (9 o'clock)
Bb = 2 flats; Bb, Eb (10 o'clock)
F = 1 flat; Bb (11 o'clock)
The keys C# and Cb aren't usually present in the circle (i just added them there), but there is a reason why. Notice that the circle starts with C, having no sharps or flats. Now, the key of C# has everything being sharped, and the Cb has everything being flatted. So, what you can do is make a separate circle for the sharps, and a separate circle for the flats, and it could go on forever. I'll show you a little of each:
Sharps Circle
C = 0 sharps (12 o'clock)
G = 1 sharp; F# (1 o'clock)
D = 2 sharps; F#, C# (2 o'clock)
A = 3 sharps; F#, C#, G# (3 o'clock)
E = 4 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D# (4 o'clock)
B = 5 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A# (5 o'clock)
F#= 6 sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E#
C# = 7 sharps / all sharps; F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E#, B# (12 o'clock)
G = 1 double sharp; F## (1 o'clock)
D = 2 double sharps; F##, C## (2 o'clock)
A = 3 double sharps; F##, C##, G## (3 o'clock)
etc.
Flats Circle
C = 0 flats (12 o'clock)
F = 1 flat; Bb (11 o'clock)
Bb = 2 flats; Bb, Eb (10 o'clock)
Eb = 3 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab (9 o'clock)
Ab = 4 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db (8 o'clock)
Db = 5 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb (7 o'clock)
Gb = 6 flats; Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Cb (6 o'clock)
C = 7 flats / all flats; (12 o'clock)
F = 1 double flat; Bbb (11 o'clock)
Bb = 2 double flats; Bbb, Ebb (10 o'clock)
Eb = 3 double flats; Bbb, Ebb, Abb (9 o'clock)
You see that? Theory stuff can go on into infinity, but to make things easier, we try to keep it as simple as possible. Can you imagine trying to read music containing a bunch of double sharps and flats?
Like I said, this is just another way of explaining this concept. If anyone else wants to add in some stuff here, feel free to do so. I'm making this a sticky so the information will always be visible.
Question? ?/? ?/?How would you apply circle of 5th to a chord progression, let's Ab or Eb still having problems incorporating the movements ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/?
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Question? ?/? ?/?How would you apply circle of 5th to a chord progression, let's Ab or Eb still having problems incorporating the movements ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/?
Here's one:
Progression using Circle of 4ths
Circle 1:
A / G-C-E
D / F#-C-E or D / F#-B-D#
G / F-Bb-D
C / E-Bb-D or C / E-A-C#
F / Eb-Ab-C
Bb / D-Ab-C or Bb / D-G-B
Eb / Db-Gb-Bb
Ab / C-Gb-Bb or Ab / C-F-A
Db / Cb-E-Ab
Gb / Bb-E-Ab or Gb / Bb-Eb-G
B / A-D-F#
E / G#-D-F# or E / G#-C#-E#
(and you right back where you started)
Circle 2:
D / C-F-A
G / B-F-A or G / B-E-G#
C / Bb-Eb-G
F / A-Eb-G or F / A-D-F#
Bb / Ab-Db-F
Eb / G-Db-F or Eb / G-C-E
Ab / Gb-B-Db
Db / F-B-Db or Db / F-Bb-D
Gb / Fb-A-Db
Cb / Eb-A-Db or Cb / Eb-Ab-C
E / D-G-B
A / C#-G-B or A / C#-F#-A#
(and you right back where you started)
Now, look at these 2 circles of 4ths. They look similar, they use all the same notes, but each will sound different because they start different. The first circle starts with A going to D, but the second circle starts with D going to G. Can you see the difference? It's hard to see at first, but you'll get it.
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Here's one:
Progression using Circle of 4ths
Circle 1:
A / G-C-E
D / F#-C-E or D / F#-B-D#
G / F-Bb-D
C / E-Bb-D or C / E-A-C#
F / Eb-Ab-C
Bb / D-Ab-C or Bb / D-G-B
Eb / Db-Gb-Bb
Ab / C-Gb-Bb or Ab / C-F-A
Db / Cb-E-Ab
Gb / Bb-E-Ab or Gb / Bb-Eb-G
B / A-D-F#
E / G#-D-F# or E / G#-C#-E#
(and you right back where you started)
Circle 2:
D / C-F-A
G / B-F-A or G / B-E-G#
C / Bb-Eb-G
F / A-Eb-G or F / A-D-F#
Bb / Ab-Db-F
Eb / G-Db-F or Eb / G-C-E
Ab / Gb-B-Db
Db / F-B-Db or Db / F-Bb-D
Gb / Fb-A-Db
Cb / Eb-A-Db or Cb / Eb-Ab-C
E / D-G-B
A / C#-G-B or A / C#-F#-A#
(and you right back where you started)
Now, look at these 2 circles of 4ths. They look similar, they use all the same notes, but each will sound different because they start different. The first circle starts with A going to D, but the second circle starts with D going to G. Can you see the difference? It's hard to see at first, but you'll get it.
THANKS, T-BLOCK I'M GONNA TRY IT SOON AS I GET OFF WORK! I'LL POST YA BACK & LET YA KNOW HOW IT TURNS OUT. :) :D ;D 8)
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If you need further visual aide....like me ;D ;D Try this link...it just might make it EVEN MO clearer. If you put this with what Mr Tea and T-block have so gracefully and patiently explained then BY GEORGE YOU'LL HAVE IT!!!
If you don't, just do like me...keep reading it over and over and FOR GOODNESS SAKES...ASK QUESTIONS....!!! LGM is here to help us younguns out....LOL
http://www.hearandplay.com/wpz213x9pky.html
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Here's one:
Progression using Circle of 4ths
Circle 1:
A / G-C-E
D / F#-C-E or D / F#-B-D#
G / F-Bb-D
C / E-Bb-D or C / E-A-C#
F / Eb-Ab-C
Bb / D-Ab-C or Bb / D-G-B
Eb / Db-Gb-Bb
Ab / C-Gb-Bb or Ab / C-F-A
Db / Cb-E-Ab
Gb / Bb-E-Ab or Gb / Bb-Eb-G
B / A-D-F#
E / G#-D-F# or E / G#-C#-E#
(and you right back where you started)
Circle 2:
D / C-F-A
G / B-F-A or G / B-E-G#
C / Bb-Eb-G
F / A-Eb-G or F / A-D-F#
Bb / Ab-Db-F
Eb / G-Db-F or Eb / G-C-E
Ab / Gb-B-Db
Db / F-B-Db or Db / F-Bb-D
Gb / Fb-A-Db
Cb / Eb-A-Db or Cb / Eb-Ab-C
E / D-G-B
A / C#-G-B or A / C#-F#-A#
(and you right back where you started)
Now, look at these 2 circles of 4ths. They look similar, they use all the same notes, but each will sound different because they start different. The first circle starts with A going to D, but the second circle starts with D going to G. Can you see the difference? It's hard to see at first, but you'll get it.
thanks for the chords, that was super helpful. I will pratice these till I can do them like its nothing.
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eXCELLENT!!
eXCELLENT!!
Thanx guys.
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D / F#-C-E
3rd b7 9th
is this a D7add9 chord? whats the right name for it?
thanks.
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D / F#-C-E
3rd b7 9th
is this a D7add9 chord? whats the right name for it?
thanks.
Thanx 4 that chord swishmasta.
I think U can call it that..
But I would rather say it's a D9 because there are no 11th, 13ths & what whats :)
I stand to be corrected though.
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Thanx 4 that chord swishmasta.
I think U can call it that..
But I would rather say it's a D9 because there are no 11th, 13ths & what whats :)
I stand to be corrected though.
You're correct musallio, the chord is a D dominant 9th (D9) chord. The reason why it's not an add9 chord is because you have that 7th present. If there was no 7th, then it would be a regular Dadd9 chord.
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You're correct musallio, the chord is a D dominant 9th (D9) chord. The reason why it's not an add9 chord is because you have that 7th present. If there was no 7th, then it would be a regular Dadd9 chord.
Thanx T-Block..I've just learnt something once again:
the "Add" comes in when there is no 7th..
right?
This brings me to the next question:
What would I call a 13th chord with a 9th or 11th in it if the "add" comes in as the result of the omission of the 7th?
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D9
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Thanks Now I understand Thanks alot God Bless all of you...
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Here's one:
Progression using Circle of 4ths
Circle 1:
A / G-C-E
D / F#-C-E or D / F#-B-D#
G / F-Bb-D
C / E-Bb-D or C / E-A-C#
F / Eb-Ab-C
Bb / D-Ab-C or Bb / D-G-B
Eb / Db-Gb-Bb
Ab / C-Gb-Bb or Ab / C-F-A
Db / Cb-E-Ab
Gb / Bb-E-Ab or Gb / Bb-Eb-G
B / A-D-F#
E / G#-D-F# or E / G#-C#-E#
(and you right back where you started)
Circle 2:
D / C-F-A
G / B-F-A or G / B-E-G#
C / Bb-Eb-G
F / A-Eb-G or F / A-D-F#
Bb / Ab-Db-F
Eb / G-Db-F or Eb / G-C-E
Ab / Gb-B-Db
Db / F-B-Db or Db / F-Bb-D
Gb / Fb-A-Db
Cb / Eb-A-Db or Cb / Eb-Ab-C
E / D-G-B
A / C#-G-B or A / C#-F#-A#
(and you right back where you started)
Now, look at these 2 circles of 4ths. They look similar, they use all the same notes, but each will sound different because they start different. The first circle starts with A going to D, but the second circle starts with D going to G. Can you see the difference? It's hard to see at first, but you'll get it.
Thanks. I understand what you're doing in your right hand...But What are you doing in your left?? Is it some sort of pattern to the chords you chose?? I am totally missing it!
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Thanks. I understand what you're doing in your right hand...But What are you doing in your left?? Is it some sort of pattern to the chords you chose?? I am totally missing it!
The LH hand is moving in 4ths, counter-clockwise on the circle of 5ths. Check this out:
Circle of 5ths: C-G-D-A-E-B/Cb-F#/Gb-C#/Db-Ab-Eb-Bb-F
Now, contrast that with the circle of 4ths, which is the reverse of that above:
Circle of 4ths: F-Bb-Eb-Ab-Db/C#-Gb/F#-Cb/B-E-A-D-G-C
Now, let's take the progression example I posted and pull out all the bass notes:
A / G-C-E
D / F#-C-E or D / F#-B-D#
G / F-Bb-D
C / E-Bb-D or C / E-A-C#
F / Eb-Ab-C
Bb / D-Ab-C or Bb / D-G-B
Eb / Db-Gb-Bb
Ab / C-Gb-Bb or Ab / C-F-A
Db / Cb-E-Ab
Gb / Bb-E-Ab or Gb / Bb-Eb-G
B / A-D-F#
E / G#-D-F# or E / G#-C#-E#
(and you right back where you started)
A-D-G-C-F-Bb-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb-B-E
Now, look at those bass notes and compare it with the cirle of 4ths:
Circle of 4ths: F-Bb-Eb-Ab-Db/C#-Gb/F#-Cb/B-E-A-D-G-C
Bass notes: A-D-G-C-F-Bb-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb-B-E
U see any similarities? Notice that the bass notes from the progression start with A going D, then to G, then to C, etc. Now, look at the end of the circle of 4ths. You see where the A goes to D, then to G, then to C, etc. Aren't they both the same movements?
Circle of 4ths: F-Bb-Eb-Ab-Db/C#-Gb/F#-Cb/B-E-A-D-G-C
Bass notes: A-D-G-C-F-Bb-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb-B-E
Then it keeps going with F to Bb, then to Eb, then Ab, etc. Coincidence?
Circle of 4ths: F-Bb-Eb-Ab-Db/C#-Gb/F#-Cb/B-E-A-D-G-C
Bass notes: A-D-G-C-F-Bb-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb-B-E
The whole point of learning this circle is to get you to realize that most musical movements is in 4ths. Knowing the 5ths will help you to stay in key. For example, u know that in the key of G there is an F# in the major scale. So, if there comes a point where you are playing a load of F naturals, chances are u have gotten out of the key.
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Thanks. I understand what you're doing in your right hand...But What are you doing in your left?? Is it some sort of pattern to the chords you chose?? I am totally missing it!
Oops, I meant to say I understand the LEFT hand notes, but not the right hand. Why did you use those chords?? What is the pattern?
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Oops, I meant to say I understand the LEFT hand notes, but not the right hand. Why did you use those chords?? What is the pattern?
In this exercise, the pattern for the RH chords is:
6 / 1 chord in 2nd inversion
2 / lower the 1st note of the above chord
In C, u would have:
A / G-C-E *6 in bass, 1 chord in 2nd inversion in RH
D / F#-C-E *2 in bass, 1st note lowered from above chord
Then, it switches keys to Bb and does the exact same thing:
G / F-Bb-D *6 in bass, 1 chord in 2nd inversion in RH
C / E-Bb-D *2 in bass, 1st note lowered from above chord
Then, it switches keys to Ab and does the exact same thing. Every 2 chords, the key goes down a whole step and repeats the process until you are back where you started.
Side-bar:
Other people may see these as 2-5 progressions, but I don't unless you break up the exercise into 4 chord patterns.
So, the first 4 chords would be a 6-2-5-1, then the key would move down 2 whole steps and repeat the process. Don't ask me why, my brain works different than most people, LOL.
Now, the circle of 5ths is not where I got my chords from. I got my chords form experimenting with what sounded good with the bass notes and what overall sound I wanted for the progression.
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Here's a youtube video I found of a guy explaining key signatures and the Circle of 5ths:
#9 Circle of fifths tutorial; How to draw a circle of fifths (circle of keys) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZYI924KhTc&feature=channel#)
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At the top of the Circle Of Fifths diagram, the key of C has no sharps or flats. Starting from there and going clockwise by ascending fifths, the key of G has one sharp, the key of D has 2 sharps, and so on. Going counterclockwise from the top by descending fourths, the key of F has one flat, the key of B♭ has 2 flats, and so on.The Circle Of Fifths is used in music theory to represent the relationship between Diatonic Scales. The numbers on the Circle Of Fifths chart show how many sharps or flats the key signature for this scale has. Thus a Major Scale built on A has 3 sharps in its key signature.
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