Why does the vii* chord....???

[dwest2419]

Hi guys back with another thread. I have a question why does the vii* dim triad chord do not get played or recognized that much as a vii* chord? Gospel players usually skip this chord, why? Here is a video where the guy totally disregarded that chord. lol

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[csedwards2]

Thats a clue.......

He lost me when he explained the number system using the number 8. (which serves no purpose at all in learning progressions)

But he likely doesnt know how to use it. And thats all.

Just to clarify you're comparing the vii dim triad with the vii dim chord???

[gtrdave]

Thats a clue.......

He lost me when he explained the number system using the number 8. (which serves no purpose at all in learning progressions)

But he likely doesnt know how to use it. And thats all.

Just to clarify you're comparing the vii dim triad with the vii dim chord???

The diminished triad IS the diminished chord.
Every 1-3-5 triad is at the core of every chord and the 7th degree of diatonic major (Locrian mode) is a diminished triad.

Why is it ignored? Probably because many years ago some people writing pop music decided to start cutting the use of the vii chord and instead started using the 5/7 compound chord in its place and the practice has stuck all these years.

[dwest2419]

I think I've finally figured out how and why the dim triad vii* chord does not get used a lot in gospel. I have been listening to a lot of gospel music on youtube along with my guitar and I have been going over a lot songs and it seems to me that they use the dim7 chord a lot which can be used as a passing chord. But the thing is for example lets take the C dim7 (C F# A D#). This C dim7 can be an D# dim7 (D# A C F#) F#dim7 (F# C D# A) or an A dim7 (A D# F# C) So whatI I notice is that I can used each of them individually they all work together because they all share the same amount of notes.

[csedwards2]

in skilled gospel playing, the vii gets used alot. Its a good transition chord, and passing chord. It will help get you out of alot of jams. Its always played in shout music and preacher chords Just depends on who you're listening to

[T-Block]

You will rarely hear a dim chord being played by itself, let alone the vii pure dim chord because the dim7 (or the V) sounds so much better and fuller. I use it every now and then, but there are other things that sound better than the natural chord that is formed there.

Just like on the ii or iii, you use the m7 chords instead of the natural minor chords that are formed on them because you want a different sound. Not saying that it's being ignored or not mentioned, just saying there are other choices you can use that work better for the sound you want to achieve.

As long as you know the theory behind these scale degree chords, you're free to choose other chords to play. Some people don't know any better, some were taught wrong, others don't even care. It's very important to get the correct teaching early.