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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2012, 12:33:48 PM »
Very telling, that he would disparage non-income-taxpayers in a year when many are not making enough to PAY income tax.
And we DO pay tax - sales tax, tax on gas, property, payroll deductions, social security/Medicare, etc...

Exactly, most Americans and so-called under-income (200K?, heck under 50K...absolutely not middle income) do pay taxes in all sorts of ways and many people pay income tax even under 30K...the Republican party, which I am moderate Republican, are using stats to spin data and to support politicial ideas and agenda.  I don't like it and somethings you really can't spin that far, it's unquestionably wrong and unfair to make some statements.

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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2012, 12:54:46 PM »
Like other people who cater to that type of crowd (FoxNews watchers) I don't think he actually believes everything he says. He knows what those type of people wants to hear, so he panders to them. He'd have to be a total idiot to really think that.

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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2012, 12:58:57 PM »
Like other people who cater to that type of crowd (FoxNews watchers) I don't think he actually believes everything he says. He knows what those type of people wants to hear, so he panders to them. He'd have to be a total idiot to really think that.

Hold on...LOL...I watch FoxNews...it doesn't mean I agree with everything they say...lol!  Just like I don't agree with everything on MSNBC or other news stations that may speak to the left of an issue.

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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2012, 01:00:12 PM »
Ahh yes, and not only are we cursed, we are also "full of mischief and subtlety." Scourged "unto destruction."  Well I guess this explains so much. It tells us why black people are committing all the serial murders in the country, strung out on meth, shooting up schools, filling up the welfare rolls... yeah, that's why. It's because we lost our fair, white skin and are now cursed. Thanks for clearing this up, Mitt. Or should I thank your honorable and beloved Prophet Joseph Smith, from whom you will not distance yourself?

Rue, seems to me that you're doing two things here:
1) perpetuating information that the mainstream Mormon church hasn't taught in decades. Since 1978 or so I've read.
2) combining those old Mormon teachings to what other Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions taught regarding the "curse of Ham". So, it's not just the old-school Mormons that you should be directing your attitude towards.

Yeah, I said attitude.
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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2012, 01:03:35 PM »
Take this for instance on Fox News..."Fair and Balance"...yet they have a editorial news show called "The Five"...yet it's four against "1"...LOL!...why don't they just call it "Four against One"...LOL...if Fox is "Fair and Balanced"?

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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2012, 01:18:01 PM »
Rue, seems to me that you're doing two things here:
1) perpetuating information that the mainstream Mormon church hasn't taught in decades. Since 1978 or so I've read.
2) combining those old Mormon teachings to what other Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions taught regarding the "curse of Ham". So, it's not just the old-school Mormons that you should be directing your attitude towards.

Yeah, I said attitude.
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Actually, you're wrong on both counts.

1. They do still teach that. Re-read my comment. I acknowledged and clarified that they changed their position/stance in 1978 allowing blacks to enter the priesthood, but they HAVE NOT changed what they teach, preach, and believe. I'm sorry that you think they have, but I'm not going to worry about what you think when I know the facts. Two Mormon elders themselves verified this in a direct conversation WITH ME. I was present and heard it first hand. After all the dancing around, I asked for a simple yes or no, and I got a yes. So that's that.

2. Thank you for presuming to know what it looks like when I have an attitude, but I don't. Although I realize the media likes to stereotype black women for being angry or having attitudes, they are not experts on what attitudes look like and certainly not experts on ME. I do not have an attitude, I am disgusted. There is a difference. I am not disgusted by old school Mormons or any other outdated religions who believed that black people are cursed. I am disgusted by 2012, modern and current teachings that still purport the LIE that black people are cursed. Anyone who thinks that this is an OLD teaching and isn't still currently in the same book that they study and teach and preach from is simply blind and doesn't want to see truth. I get it though. Truth is very uncomfortable.

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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2012, 01:19:24 PM »
perpetuating information that the mainstream Mormon church hasn't taught in decades. Since 1978 or so I've read.

In absolute seriousness, you really may want to go read up on them a little more - not that it will make any difference for you, I'm sure. But at least you'll know how wrong you are in this quote.
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« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2012, 01:21:09 PM »
Take this for instance on Fox News..."Fair and Balance"...yet they have a editorial news show called "The Five"...yet it's four against "1"...LOL!...why don't they just call it "Four against One"...LOL...if Fox is "Fair and Balanced"?

I have a tinge of pride in my life due to the fact that I never watch Fox News...nor MSNBC or CNN, etc...
I'll pray that God works on that pride  :) but I'm still not going to watch any of the popular 'failed and biased' news circuses.
I do watch RT News and other PBS-based news shows as well as some local outlets and I do a LOT of reading online (HuffPost, Forbes, LA Times, Yahoo, etc...), so I try to stay informed, just not entertained.
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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2012, 01:24:00 PM »
Talking about "The Five", have you ever noticed the set-up, Bob Beckel (sp) or whomever disagrees always sits directly to the left of the middle speaker. .it's marketing and getting their view point across, make no mistake.  To the center person's right watching the person agress...lol.     

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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2012, 01:27:01 PM »
And what kills me is how Christians will still defend this man. How hypocritical that his heretical faith doesn't matter, but we still vote faith-based matters.... this is why I bite my tongue. I hate seeing Christians defend folly just to be loyal to political ideologies and parties. It's disgusting. This man LIED blatantly and stereotyped and openly admitted to believing that all Obama voters are welfare bums who don't contribute anything to this country (which of course is "their" country built on OUR FREE LABOR) - and if that's what he said in a somewhat public setting, you can imagine how he talks in a closed door meeting or in the safety of his home.

Yeah....people act as if the Presidency is an office of the church.
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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2012, 01:28:28 PM »
I have a tinge of pride in my life due to the fact that I never watch Fox News...nor MSNBC or CNN, etc...
I'll pray that God works on that pride  :) but I'm still not going to watch any of the popular 'failed and biased' news circuses.
I do watch RT News and other PBS-based news shows as well as some local outlets and I do a LOT of reading online (HuffPost, Forbes, LA Times, Yahoo, etc...), so I try to stay informed, just not entertained.

Although I see your point gtrdave, the same thing applies, HuffPost is for the most part liberal, so would be LA Times and Yahoo...the same applies to even websites and newspapers...it's gotten out of hand...

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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #51 on: September 18, 2012, 01:35:59 PM »
Hold on...LOL...I watch FoxNews...it doesn't mean I agree with everything they say...lol!  Just like I don't agree with everything on MSNBC or other news stations that may speak to the left of an issue.

I mean he's like those guys, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reily who say really ignorant things because that's what they get paid to do, because that's what a great portion (not all) of their watchers wholeheartedly believe.


Rue, seems to me that you're doing two things here:
1) perpetuating information that the mainstream Mormon church hasn't taught in decades. Since 1978 or so I've read.


After a point, you don't have to keep formally teaching something for that ideology to be passed down to future generations.

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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #52 on: September 18, 2012, 01:41:09 PM »
And I agree with you U13, he is agreeing with his Republican base whether right or wrong...

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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #53 on: September 18, 2012, 01:41:22 PM »
Yeah....people act as if the Presidency is an office of the church.

And it's so not. One of my dear friends is a white woman married to a black man, with 6 black (or biracial, if you prefer) children. She is saved, sanctified and HG filled, and extremely conservative. Her heart will not let her vote for Obama because she believes that her faith is the most important guiding principle in her life. I told her the same thing you said, that the president is not the pastor of the world and the Oval Office is not a church office. She insisted that she cannot help elect a candidate who goes against the Bible. Girl please, they ALL go against the Bible! Are you kidding me??? I love that girl to life, but it kills me that the same people who will vote against one candidate on grounds of the Bible, will vote for another candidate whose beliefs ALSO go against the Bible. It just baffles me...
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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #54 on: September 18, 2012, 01:43:22 PM »
After a point, you don't have to keep formally teaching something for that ideology to be passed down to future generations.

Absolutely.

(Although they are still formally teaching it and it's STILL in their 'bible').
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« Reply #55 on: September 18, 2012, 01:49:37 PM »
In absolute seriousness, you really may want to go read up on them a little more - not that it will make any difference for you, I'm sure. But at least you'll know how wrong you are in this quote.

I've read up from several sources and they all confirm what I'm saying.
Now, you may have met some traditionalists, but everything that I've read claims that this teaching is not part of their system any longer. If they still believe this lie...  >:(
Again, what they used to teach was right inline with the old "curse of Ham/curse of Canaan" teachings that used to exist in the 3 main religions and are still taught by the extremists/racists. Yes, it was used to teach that slavery was legit and that blacks were lesser people and all that kind of crap.
More evidence of our sad, disgusting history as humans and Americans.

My apologies to you, Rue, if I got you more riled up. You know that I like picking on you like you're my little sister, right?
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« Reply #56 on: September 18, 2012, 02:47:58 PM »
I've read up from several sources and they all confirm what I'm saying.
Now, you may have met some traditionalists, but everything that I've read claims that this teaching is not part of their system any longer. If they still believe this lie...  >:(
Again, what they used to teach was right inline with the old "curse of Ham/curse of Canaan" teachings that used to exist in the 3 main religions and are still taught by the extremists/racists. Yes, it was used to teach that slavery was legit and that blacks were lesser people and all that kind of crap.
More evidence of our sad, disgusting history as humans and Americans.

My apologies to you, Rue, if I got you more riled up. You know that I like picking on you like you're my little sister, right?
You know that we agree more than we disagree, right sis?  ;D

Dave, you don't owe me an apology. I'm cool. I'm passionate and you know this by now. Racism disgusts me, and the only thing that disgusts me MORE than racism is when racism is excused, pardoned or overlooked. You keep comparing this to the big 3 but they have all denounced and abandoned those teachings. The LDS church has not. They NEVER denounced the teachings, not even in 1978. When they began to allow blacks into the priesthood, they still didn't denounce the teachings (which is why it's still in their bible). You can look it up for yourself. I'm telling you what I know. This teaching was NEVER denounced by the LDS. So it is not appropriate to compare Mormons in that regard to Christians, Jews or anyone else. You're comparing history to present time. I think that what you think occurred in 1978 is not really what happened. They never abandoned this teaching.

This teaching is racist and it is still in the Book of Mormon today. They reprint this book and distribute it, they teach from it, they preach from it, they believe in it, they take an oath to uphold it, to this very day in 2012. So it's not an outdated teaching. It is current. It is up to date. It is what they believe today. They will try to twist it, but if you ask them a straightforward yes or no question they will acknowledge that it is indeed what they believe. I don't know if the guys who came to my house on Labor Day were "traditionalists." They were young, 19 and 20 (yes I asked because their name tags said "Elder" so and so, and they looked like teenagers). More importantly, they were representatives of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and they ALL teach the same exact thing. They are not like Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, etc. where you might go to one church and hear one doctrine and go to another church and hear a different doctrine. The Mormons all teach the same thing, and as hard as it may be for you to believe it, that is what they teach. I understand that it could put a person in a tough spot if they do think it matters. If it matters, then you have to ask whether you can in good conscience vote for someone who was raised in racist ideals. If it matters, you have to ask whether you can vote for someone who very likely believes that black people are cursed. If it matters, you have to ask whether it makes you racist (whether black or white) to vote for someone who does not distance himself from the teaching that black people were originally supposed to be white. Yeah, if it matters, you have to ask quite a few tough questions. And then make a pretty tough decision.

Then of course, there's the possibility that it doesn't matter at all.
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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #57 on: September 18, 2012, 02:50:19 PM »
And yes, we do agree more than we disagree, but this is a big one. I don't play about race matters, and I don't care whether the person on the other side of the table is white, black or green. We have plenty of folks right here on LGM who plan to vote for Romney and I would tell them the exact same thing I'm telling you. My sentiments are consistent across the board.
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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2012, 02:58:56 PM »
And yes, we do agree more than we disagree, but this is a big one. I don't play about race matters, and I don't care whether the person on the other side of the table is white, black or green. We have plenty of folks right here on LGM who plan to vote for Romney and I would tell them the exact same thing I'm telling you. My sentiments are consistent across the board.

Where we only disagree is on whether race matters and I don't care what appears to be said, I think it does, especially from when the day President Obama was elected there was a meeting held by Republicans to obstruct any policies he made...Ive never seen this type of divide in Congress in my lifetime as has been seen in the past 3+ years...something has to be said on it and the obvious question arises even if noone is willing to ask the question of why is there so much divide at this point in the past 3 years?...

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Re: And people will STILL vote for this man.....
« Reply #59 on: September 18, 2012, 03:08:39 PM »
I think 'Rue and Dave should share any links they have concerning their side of the discussion as proof for their respective arguments.
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