Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?

[nessalynn77]

Mexicans are one group of South Americans, but the issues I mentioned impact most if not all South Americans.  He asked if they are oppressed.  The fact that your answer is no, doesn't mean his statement has no validity.  On the contrary it appears it does have validity but since we're black, it loses importance because they are not black, or because we feel they don't care about our being mistreated, so we don't care about theirs.  Is that an accurate representation?

[JustBritt]

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[LaylaMonroe]

Mexicans are one group of South Americans, but the issues I mentioned impact most if not all South Americans.  He asked if they are oppressed.  The fact that your answer is no, doesn't mean his statement has no validity.  On the contrary it appears it does have validity but since we're black, it loses importance because they are not black, or because we feel they don't care about our being mistreated, so we don't care about theirs.  Is that an accurate representation?

I thought Mexico was a part of North America. My bad. As I said in another thread, I suck at history (and geography too, and anything not-grammar or spelling... lol).

I didn't say that Mexicans aren't oppressed. I said that they aren't systematically oppressed AND if they are, it's no more so than other minorities. I'm just totally and completely confused as to why we're attempting a serious discussion about Mexican oppression. That's just weird to me. Seriously. Not being cynical or a jerk. I just think it's weird. Which is why I said I have nothing intelligent to add to this discussion. If we are having a general convo about minority groups being oppressed or even immigrants being oppressed, or whether Hispanic immigrants are more oppressed than non-Hispanic immigrants, I could probably chime in something halfway intelligent. But just to discuss whether Mexicans are oppressed? Nah, I can't. Why aren't we discussing whether Haitians are oppressed? Jamaicans? The poor? Pakistanis? Sudanese?

Idk. I just don't get it.

Oh, and for me, the black part is not as relevant as the issue with singling out Mexicans. But PhB's thought processes are as weird as mine, so maybe if he explained what brought him to that thought, it would all make sense for me.

Bottom line: it's just an incomplete question. It's like me posting a thread titled "are cows mistreated?" I have a right to post it, of course, and someone WILL have an intelligent response... but the majority will have no idea where I'm coming from, what I mean, why I'm asking, what I'm thinking, why I'm concerned about cows, but not pigs, etc....

[blyempowered]

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**Doesnt notice any negative reaction. Decides to get fresh**

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LOL!!!

[JustBritt]

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LOL!!!

Really?!

What ya'll think this is? LOL

[Fenix]

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LOL!!!

Dude, seriously? 

[chevonee]

You guys are absolutely crazy!!!!

[phbrown]

Oh, and for me, the black part is not as relevant as the issue with singling out Mexicans. But PhB's thought processes are as weird as mine, so maybe if he explained what brought him to that thought, it would all make sense for me.

Our lesson at Church had the Verse from Exodus in it. While reading it I was reminded of the plight and discrimation that Mexican Immigrants face not only from the white majority but also by the black minority.  So I wondered was I the only one who thought this and then I was going to hope the discussion could grow to what needs to be done.


I alwasy find it weird when I am talking to an elder whom I have much respect for but will treat someone who speaks english as a second language as if they are less than them. But it will be this same elder who will tell me about the oppression they experienced growing up. It is almost like we are continuning the cycle of oppression. We went through it and now we trying to force another group of people to go through ... to earn their stripes .... sort of like a pledging process

[LaylaMonroe]

Interesting that you only thought of Mexicans. But yeah.... oh well. Thanks for explaining.

[under13]

Our lesson at Church had the Verse from Exodus in it. While reading it I was reminded of the plight and discrimation that Mexican Immigrants face not only from the white majority but also by the black minority. So I wondered was I the only one who thought this and then I was going to hope the discussion could grow to what needs to be done.

How are Blacks oppressing Mexicans?

[BassbyGrace]

Our lesson at Church had the Verse from Exodus in it. While reading it I was reminded of the plight and discrimation that Mexican Immigrants face not only from the white majority but also by the black minority.  So I wondered was I the only one who thought this and then I was going to hope the discussion could grow to what needs to be done.


I alwasy find it weird when I am talking to an elder whom I have much respect for but will treat someone who speaks english as a second language as if they are less than them. But it will be this same elder who will tell me about the oppression they experienced growing up. It is almost like we are continuning the cycle of oppression. We went through it and now we trying to force another group of people to go through ... to earn their stripes .... sort of like a pledging process

Actually thats RACISM.  Its also a reason why I dismiss the notion that black ppl "cant" be racist.   

[phbrown]

Interesting that you only thought of Mexicans. But yeah.... oh well. Thanks for explaining.

no problem, glad you allowed me to explain

How are Blacks oppressing Mexicans?

Should the 2012 ballots be printed in english and spanish?

[LaylaMonroe]

no problem, glad you allowed me to explain

Should the 2012 ballots be printed in english and spanish?

What in the Sam B. Hello does that have to do with Black people?

UGH. Let me get out of this thread for real... good night y'all. I just can't.

[phbrown]

What in the Sam B. Hello does that have to do with Black people?

UGH. Let me get out of this thread for real... good night y'all. I just can't.

LOL, I understand that a lot of times we don't want to take responsibility for our ability to affect change in our communities. Granted the above question isn't my final question just the first of a few to see how U13 decides to respond.

[under13]

Actually thats RACISM.  Its also a reason why I dismiss the notion that black ppl "cant" be racist.   

Black people in America can not be racist. You guys can not name one thing that blacks systematically do that actually oppresses other races of people here in America. All black people do is TALK, white people go further and actually DO. And they do it with a system, something blacks don't have.

I'll make it real plain. If I stand on the corner everyday talking about how I'm gonna shoot and kill a bunch of people, does that make me a murderer? I'm not a murderer until I actually commit an act.

What in the Sam B. Hello does that have to do with Black people?

UGH. Let me get out of this thread for real... good night y'all. I just can't.

It was a trick. If I said no, he would accuse me of being racist. lol

[phbrown]

It was a trick. If I said no, he would accuse me of being racist. lol

Please make it plain is your answer yes or is your answer no.

[under13]

Please make it plain is your answer yes or is your answer no.

Please answer my question first.

How are Blacks oppressing Mexicans?

 

[SavnBass]

Oppressed ... really? 

No.. I don't think so. Furthermore.. Mexicans are only a part of the Hispanic immigrant population and a lot of people like to lump them all together.. They should be required to learn English too IMO.. This is a nation of immigrants.. the one thing that unifies us is language .. and this whole bilingual business is ridiculous the way it is being done currently.  People can come here and not even have to learn the language.. I had a woman say to me with her nose turned up in the air.. and this was 15+ years ago.. "Why do I need to learn English ... I speak Spanish at the bank.. my doctor is Spanish .. I shop at a Spanish store.. what I need English for? "

I think that "Mexican" immigrants who are legal citizens have just as much opportunity as anyone else.. in some cases more so... I think that any immigrant who is not here legally really doesn't have a leg to stand on anyway. Scripture also says to render unto Caesar what is his.. to obey  the law.. I cant go to any other country and sneak in and just live.. and I certainly cant get any benefit other than free health care in some countries.. and if I don't speak the language then I am just up the proverbial creek.. I have seen to many cases of folks coming here and taking full advantage of the system.. in ways that I could never do.. No I don't see any oppression other than the same oppression that every other struggling person with few tax shelters and write offs experiences..

[under13]

@Layla's question about "Why Mexicans? Why not haitians Sudanese,e tc etc etc" Well, they can be discussed next. YOu can't talk about more than one topic at a time. I mean, really. That seems like a silly question to me. Why NOT Mexicans?

Also... Black people can't be racist? If I own a house with a peach tree with branches hanging over the fence and I don't allow the Indian walking down the sidewalk to pick one off because he's Indian, that's racism.

You don't have to be the all-powerful-The-Man to be racist. Come on. Racism doesn't have to be this big organized system headed by the guy in the top of the pyramid. And even if "black 'racists'" just talk, the tongue is a very powerful weapon. Hateful words poison the hearts of those who hear and speak them.

This is just so... maybe it's a matter of semantics... I've always thought racism was defined as discrimination based on race. I did not know it was so complicated.

Even if it's just in your little microcosm, a black owned business, or maybe even just a boarding house, if you give preferential treatment based on race, you are being racist.

Why don't yall show some actual occurrences and not hypothetical stories? Peaches? Really?

[LaylaMonroe]

As I bang my head against the wall, looking out the window enviously at all the other LGMers on the playground who are laughing and smiling and going up and down the slide, and swinging on the swings and playing hide-and-go-seek, and double dutch and hopscotch... I wonder, how did I get here and they're out there?? It's so unfair... Jonathan was just in here two seconds ago, and now he's outside playing. How did he get out and while I'm stuck in here?? Then I realize I brought it upon myself. The ones outside chose their course and I chose mine... so.... again....

I just can't.

Especially not with all this hypothetical, random, off-the-wall, irrelevant stuff...