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Re: The Issue of Abortion
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2012, 10:24:51 PM »
When we stop having this conversation? When will we realize that the abortion issue is a bait and switch type scenario when it comes to how the republicans and democrats view the working poor. Its one thing to spare the lives of an innocent child before he or she sees live birth but how political systems constantly bicker over and even cut programs that benefit the children that live!!! It's an oxymoron. Abortion is morally wrong but its even worse when the poverty line grows daily.. The easy scapegoat is the rise in single parents but the real culprit is the assault on the resources that used to be available to support these scenarios. Most conservatives are against a comprehensive approach to planned parenthood.

They've deemed the term itself as an abortion. When the truth is planned parenthood is a organization that offers a variety of preventive measures before pregnancy. It even educates the people they serve on all of the diseases, the physical and mental ramifications of multiple partners, and gives the population they serve the TRUE facts of how to protect themselves before conception. Of course abortion is apart of the equation because all pregnancies aren't cut from the same cloth.

Lastly I'm going to say that the man's "right" is gone after the woman concieves. IF you want your power, GO to the store and buy some condoms.. PERIOD.. The Pill doesn't protect you from A.I.D.S. or your partner being unfaithful. A condom doesn't protect you  from all of the said small percentages or circumstances that can still lead to disease or conception. SO we must stop allowing political races to dictate one form of our morality. WE have children right here in America that are malnurished, under servered in their health needs, poorly educated and given a slow means of spiritual and physical death by people in power who see it as their duty rule over them and not serve them.. That my friends is worse than abortion...
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Re: The Issue of Abortion
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2012, 02:36:06 AM »
Why abortion will never be illegal: If it was illegal, the number of blacks in this country would increase tremendously. You saw how they acted when the news came out that the majority of the people born in the US were non whites. Just imagine what would happen if the black population started to rival the white population. Whiteness is just one of the things the conservatives would like to conserve, and as you can see in the chart below... well it speaks for itself.


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Re: The Issue of Abortion
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2012, 09:47:24 AM »
I kind of touched on this in an earlier thread.  I have always been taught and subscribed to the notion that abortion is morally wrong.  It seems to be generally accepted among Christians that abortion is wrong because it destroys life that God created.  But are we as Christians too willing to look the other way for the sake of any given political party's promises of prosperity?  Granted that supporting any political party involves some degree of compromise; is it worth the lives of unborn babies?


For the last 30 years we have had 20 years of Republicans in the white house and almost the same amount in the senate with the house being split almost... and we still have RvW.. Voting your values because of the party platform when it comes to such issues does not work. President Bush was in line on all the top hot button issues pertaining to Christians.. and his administration is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and ruined lives.  Probably a nice guy .. but this country would be better off had ne never been elected on a wave of self righteous rah rah feel good jingoism. Don't even get me started on the whole morning in America trickle down nonsense two decades before that.. These issues are moral issues and morality for the most part particularly individual morality cannot be legislated  .. and no political movement on RvW will ever be achieved as long as the right has an all or nothing attitude. It will stay as it is.

General question: There are some who believe that men should not have a perspective on abortion because they will not go through childbirth and all issues associated with it. Do you all agree or disagree with that thought?


They have a perspective on creating the situation they should have a perspective on solving it.. Just because a man doesn't have to go through it doesn't mean that he is not just as complicitous in the murder of his child as his partner..


When we stop having this conversation? When will we realize that the abortion issue is a bait and switch type scenario when it comes to how the republicans and democrats view the working poor. Its one thing to spare the lives of an innocent child before he or she sees live birth but how political systems constantly bicker over and even cut programs that benefit the children that live!!! It's an oxymoron. Abortion is morally wrong but its even worse when the poverty line grows daily.. The easy scapegoat is the rise in single parents but the real culprit is the assault on the resources that used to be available to support these scenarios. Most conservatives are against a comprehensive approach to planned parenthood.

They've deemed the term itself as an abortion. When the truth is planned parenthood is a organization that offers a variety of preventive measures before pregnancy. It even educates the people they serve on all of the diseases, the physical and mental ramifications of multiple partners, and gives the population they serve the TRUE facts of how to protect themselves before conception. Of course abortion is apart of the equation because all pregnancies aren't cut from the same cloth.

Lastly I'm going to say that the man's "right" is gone after the woman concieves. IF you want your power, GO to the store and buy some condoms.. PERIOD.. The Pill doesn't protect you from A.I.D.S. or your partner being unfaithful. A condom doesn't protect you  from all of the said small percentages or circumstances that can still lead to disease or conception. SO we must stop allowing political races to dictate one form of our morality. WE have children right here in America that are malnurished, under servered in their health needs, poorly educated and given a slow means of spiritual and physical death by people in power who see it as their duty rule over them and not serve them.. That my friends is worse than abortion...


I only disagree with the emboldened part.. I wonder how many women who have had abortions would not have done so if the father had said "lets put this baby up for adoption" or "I will care for my child.."  Like it or not many women, particularly black ones,  have abortions because they got pregnant by a sperm donor and not a man..  that is a fact. As I have said elsewhere .. I have 5 daughters and to my knowledge all of them had their children rather than abort them.. some of them had their tubes tied afterwards but all of them had their children. We as parents, aunts and uncles etc.. are responsible for doing our best to insure that our youth make correct decisions in the first place. That was the president's talk on abortion.. He was personally opposed to it but he cannot inject his personal values on the issue into it. I bet neither of his daughters will have an abortion though.. 
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Re: The Issue of Abortion
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2012, 12:30:45 PM »
Roe vs Wade is probably here to stay especially with America headed in a more liberal direction.

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Re: The Issue of Abortion
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2012, 01:36:42 PM »
My two cents:

God does not block us from sinning. Neither should government. Christians don't want a ban on abortion because it's murder. Christians want a ban on abortion because it's sin. We can't stop people from sinning. They will find a way to sin.

That is ALL I have to say on the subject of abortion.  Y'all ain't tired of this subject yet???? :-\
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Re: The Issue of Abortion
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2012, 03:41:17 PM »
My two cents:

God does not block us from sinning. Neither should government. Christians don't want a ban on abortion because it's murder. Christians want a ban on abortion because it's sin. We can't stop people from sinning. They will find a way to sin.

That is ALL I have to say on the subject of abortion.  Y'all ain't tired of this subject yet???? :-\

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Re: The Issue of Abortion
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2012, 04:24:23 PM »
My 2 cents...lol...

The sin in most cases really doesn't happen in regards to abortion, it happens in the sin beforehand (sometimes), abortion or whatever else we want to call it (murder?)...most cases the sin happens prior.  My mom almost died having me, no sin involved, if it happened, that's God's plan, it would not have been an abortion issue, but the doctors were trying to save who they could possibly save...the way politics are we simply look at every situation as the same when in fact all situations are never the same.

Broader spectrum on policy and where the government should actually leave some issues alone and not try to insert/enforce certain policies...this also is true with the church...

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Re: The Issue of Abortion
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2012, 04:49:23 PM »
My two cents:

God does not block us from sinning. Neither should government. Christians don't want a ban on abortion because it's murder. Christians want a ban on abortion because it's sin. We can't stop people from sinning. They will find a way to sin.

That is ALL I have to say on the subject of abortion.  Y'all ain't tired of this subject yet???? :-\

That is a good take on it..
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Re: The Issue of Abortion
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2012, 05:05:28 PM »
Here is a question...if my mom had to choose between me and her life, which she did, would it have been "Murder" according to the church, because she chose to abort me even though the doctors told her she might not live regardless is she had me or not?

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Re: The Issue of Abortion
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2012, 05:34:34 PM »
Why abortion will never be illegal: If it was illegal, the number of blacks in this country would increase tremendously. You saw how they acted when the news came out that the majority of the people born in the US were non whites. Just imagine what would happen if the black population started to rival the white population. Whiteness is just one of the things the conservatives would like to conserve, and as you can see in the chart below... well it speaks for itself.





Hmmm......if memory serves me well, I seem to recall something about the founder of Planned Parenthood having an agenda to effectively wipe out the black race.
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Re: The Issue of Abortion
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2012, 05:45:46 PM »
Hmmm......if memory serves me well, I seem to recall something about the founder of Planned Parenthood having an agenda to effectively wipe out the black race.

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