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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #420 on: June 04, 2011, 09:37:51 PM »
I thought the author's view was the fact that they were concentrating only on saving people in one generation. And not helping them develop and grow as Christians

The author's overall point is that the first century church wasn't solely about saving the generation, as they felt no rush to try to save the entire world. Read the footnote for that particular one. It explains his view on that.

@LaRue, very good question!

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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #421 on: June 04, 2011, 10:07:14 PM »
Despite our communication technology, no invention is as effective as the sound of the human voice.

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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #422 on: June 04, 2011, 10:12:40 PM »
An interesting website:

http://www.earlychurch.com/index.php


Thanks for the website!

I've really thought about (if I decide to get a Master's or PHD degree) doing a thesis paper or something on a topic connected to the early church.

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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #423 on: June 04, 2011, 10:14:28 PM »
Thanks for the website!

I've really thought about (if I decide to get a Master's or PHD degree) doing a thesis paper or something on a topic connected to the early church.

Gooooood luck with that. Waaaay too much reading for me.  :-\
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« Reply #424 on: June 04, 2011, 10:25:05 PM »
Gooooood luck with that. Waaaay too much reading for me.  :-\

LOL! Thanks!

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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #425 on: June 05, 2011, 12:49:57 PM »
Just thought I'd share this. I'm at my church for the first time in a minute and guess what?

They took the pulpit out. LOL :D :D

I'm sure it's not for the reasons we discussed in this thread, but still.... I chuckled. :-\ :D
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #426 on: June 05, 2011, 01:13:03 PM »
Just thought I'd share this. I'm at my church for the first time in a minute and guess what?

They took the pulpit out. LOL :D :D

I'm sure it's not for the reasons we discussed in this thread, but still.... I chuckled. :-\ :D

LOL! SHONDO!!!

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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #427 on: June 05, 2011, 02:23:49 PM »
I guess I spoke too soon. :-\ My friend (whose mother passed) had an episode and her hubby called me out of the sanctuary. We came back in about 20 min later and the pulpit was back in place. I guess they put it in when the choir is finished (which is a whole other annoyance, but whatever). :-\
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« Reply #428 on: June 05, 2011, 02:27:30 PM »
I guess I spoke too soon. :-\ My friend (whose mother passed) had an episode and her hubby called me out of the sanctuary. We came back in about 20 min later and the pulpit was back in place. I guess they put it in when the choir is finished (which is a whole other annoyance, but whatever). :-\
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #429 on: June 06, 2011, 10:50:36 AM »
CS: I started on Ch4 this morning. About to peruse the earlychurch.com link.

Is everyone still with us?? I know Ch3 was a tough read for some, but I hope we're all still "in."

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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #430 on: June 06, 2011, 11:01:12 AM »
CS: I started on Ch4 this morning. About to peruse the earlychurch.com link.

Is everyone still with us?? I know Ch3 was a tough read for some, but I hope we're all still "in."

just finished ch4 last night :D I heart chapter 4 LOL

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« Reply #431 on: June 06, 2011, 11:06:46 AM »
CS: I started on Ch4 this morning. About to peruse the earlychurch.com link.

Is everyone still with us?? I know Ch3 was a tough read for some, but I hope we're all still "in."

Ready for chapter 4. This chapter is causing serious conflict for me....

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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #432 on: June 06, 2011, 11:28:52 AM »
Hey Jonathan, did you know that that website is owned/sponsored/hosted by Anabaptists? Interesting stuff...
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #433 on: June 06, 2011, 12:42:23 PM »
Hey Jonathan, did you know that that website is owned/sponsored/hosted by Anabaptists? Interesting stuff...

Do they also hammer rocks?  :D


But no, I didn't, know that.


And, chapter four is messin with my head and, at the same time, confirming some things I've stated on LGM before.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #434 on: June 06, 2011, 01:16:35 PM »
Do they also hammer rocks?  :D


But no, I didn't, know that.


And, chapter four is messin with my head and, at the same time, confirming some things I've stated on LGM before.

:D :D :D :D :D :D That's exactly what I was thinking. LOL!

Yeah, I clicked on the fellowship page and it said "to contact other Christians who are living out the faith of the early Christians, click here..." (paraphrase). So I clicked. And it took me to a page that listed a bunch of Anabaptist organizations/people/churches.

I haven't dug far enough into Ch4 for it to mess with me. But you guys have me anxious to dig in... lol. I just started it this morning on the train, so I only got as far as p89. Thus far, I've already underlined a few things and I'm not in agreement with the authors. :-\ Perhaps I'll be the lone voice of dissent.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #435 on: June 06, 2011, 02:17:41 PM »
:D :D :D :D :D :D That's exactly what I was thinking. LOL!

Yeah, I clicked on the fellowship page and it said "to contact other Christians who are living out the faith of the early Christians, click here..." (paraphrase). So I clicked. And it took me to a page that listed a bunch of Anabaptist organizations/people/churches.

I haven't dug far enough into Ch4 for it to mess with me. But you guys have me anxious to dig in... lol. I just started it this morning on the train, so I only got as far as p89. Thus far, I've already underlined a few things and I'm not in agreement with the authors. :-\ Perhaps I'll be the lone voice of dissent.

This chapter may pick thing back up in our discussion.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #436 on: June 06, 2011, 03:07:54 PM »
Hmm.

Well that's just the incentive I needed to leave early... reason: anxious to dig back into my book. :D
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #437 on: June 06, 2011, 04:17:34 PM »
@LaRue you'll be the voice of dissent while I'll be the voice of ambiguity.....LOL!

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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #438 on: June 06, 2011, 04:43:43 PM »
I know we're going to start chapter 4 discussion this week but let me ask this:

Again, I've been raised to believe that everyone is NOT called to preach, particularly from the pulpit. Ok, here's my question of confusion: In the black church, I feel like a lot of what preaching is boils down to a bunch of cliches' and basically encouragement (nothing wrong with encouragement, just saying for this discussion). So therefore, if that's the case also taking to note that a lot of black preaching is socialization (mimicking what other black preachers in our tradition do), how can it be argued that only "certain" people are called to preach from the pulpit?

Based on my observation, it almost looks the same, especially in the black tradition of worship. I mean I could probably put up 10-15 youtube clips of black church preaching and a good majority would be the same.

Also (and this is a general question that I was afraid to ask at first), how much should our culture play into our church practices? I ask this because, in my opinion, a lot of black church practices (heavy emphasis on music, whooping, encouragement preaching) is a product of our culture and history. Some people believe that culture should NOT play a role in our church practices AT ALL! I'm having a hard time totally agreeing with this and this may be one of the roots for the "personal preference" argument. To me, everything this book is arguing would go against black church culture, historically speaking. And so some would say that certain practices (heavy emphasis on music, whooping, etc.) is just a part of our culture and because of everything we've went through we shouldn't lose our cultural identity.

I know it sounds like I'm rambling but this is something I've thought about a lot as we've had these discussions.

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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #439 on: June 06, 2011, 05:02:57 PM »
*reading about the sophists*

:o Wow. WOWWWW!!!!!!!!!
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