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Author Topic: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna  (Read 85155 times)

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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #600 on: June 16, 2011, 02:46:42 PM »
This chapter on music may be the "personal preference" chapter for me....Smh. I get the author's point but.....idk. I do believe too many of our churches are too music-centered (I feel like for black churches it's a cultural thing). Idk...right now I'm just not persuaded to totally get rid of system of music in our churches....:\
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #601 on: June 16, 2011, 02:52:41 PM »
I do wonder what it would be like to go back to just having congregational singing.

Even though with God all things are possible I don't see sweeping changes when it comes to music ministry, especially in black churches.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #602 on: June 16, 2011, 02:54:13 PM »
Quote from: blyempowered on June 16, 2011, 02:52:41 PM
I do wonder what it would be like to go back to just having congregational singing.

Even though with God all things are possible I don't see sweeping changes when it comes to music ministry, especially in black churches.

That.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #603 on: June 16, 2011, 02:57:23 PM »
Quote from: phbrown on June 16, 2011, 12:36:24 PM
I see no difference between a praise team, and a bunch of deacons leading devotion. They are exactly the same where the only difference is the choice of songs. Therefore it is not the "best" concept in my opinion just a different flavor of the same concept.

A group of people standing up front, leading songs and asking the congregation to join in with the singing.
You're kidding, right. Perhaps, it's because I'm musical (read: I sing) many deacons are HORRIBLE singers or are OLD and HORRIBLE singers.


It used to be PAINFUL for me to sit through devotion when I was a MOM @ a baptist church.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #604 on: June 16, 2011, 03:04:46 PM »
Its funny thinking about how socialization is the theme with almost everything in church including music, particularly the praise team. Seems like every church in America has a praise team...LOL!
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #605 on: June 16, 2011, 03:14:43 PM »
This chapter is making rethink something our last pastor believed. To sing on the praise team he wanted the best singers. Basically it was a audition. One of my buddies felt like it wasn't fair for only certain people being able to sing on the praise team....hmmm.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #606 on: June 16, 2011, 03:23:59 PM »
Just FYI, I'm gonna jump in, but I'm not feeling well at the moment so it'll probably be later on tonight.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #607 on: June 16, 2011, 03:27:34 PM »
Hope you feel better!
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #608 on: June 16, 2011, 03:59:50 PM »
Quote from: blyempowered on June 16, 2011, 03:14:43 PM
This chapter is making rethink something our last pastor believed. To sing on the praise team he wanted the best singers. Basically it was a audition. One of my buddies felt like it wasn't fair for only certain people being able to sing on the praise team....hmmm.

Look, whereas you might not have to have the best singers, at the VERY least, have folks who can carry a tune.  :-\
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #609 on: June 16, 2011, 04:02:27 PM »
Lol right!
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #610 on: June 16, 2011, 04:37:01 PM »
Quote from: sjonathan02 on June 16, 2011, 02:57:23 PM
You're kidding, right. Perhaps, it's because I'm musical (read: I sing) many deacons are HORRIBLE singers or are OLD and HORRIBLE singers.


It used to be PAINFUL for me to sit through devotion when I was a MOM @ a baptist church.

ROFL!!! I wasn't thinking about skill level when it comes to singing but you have a valid point
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #611 on: June 17, 2011, 06:38:25 AM »
Quote from: phbrown on June 16, 2011, 04:37:01 PM
ROFL!!! I wasn't thinking about skill level when it comes to singing but you have a valid point

Sadly, a lot of folks don't.


OAN: It appears we've lost steam as it pertains to this book.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #612 on: June 17, 2011, 06:53:01 AM »
And I don't think it was an accident.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #613 on: June 17, 2011, 07:10:49 AM »
Quote from: LaylaMonroe on June 17, 2011, 06:53:01 AM
And I don't think it was an accident.

Such a shame, ain't it?
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #614 on: June 17, 2011, 07:23:56 AM »
Like what happened?
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #615 on: June 17, 2011, 08:44:29 AM »
Quote from: blyempowered on June 17, 2011, 07:23:56 AM
Like what happened?

we attempted to grow too fast and lost our focus of our mission?
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #616 on: June 17, 2011, 08:50:59 AM »
Yeah probably....
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #617 on: June 17, 2011, 10:15:34 AM »
Quote from: phbrown on June 17, 2011, 08:44:29 AM
we attempted to grow too fast and lost our focus of our mission?

What an amazingly tactful way to state it.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #618 on: June 17, 2011, 10:35:39 AM »
@SJ irt PHB's assessment, I agree. Quite tactful.

That said, although the wind has departed from my sails, I was definitely enjoying the book and moreso the dialogue. I see no reason we can't get back on track if everyone wants to.

I know personally it'll take some effort to readjust my focus, but I'm willing if y'all still want to.
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Re: May 2011 DISCUSSION: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna
« Reply #619 on: June 17, 2011, 10:58:25 AM »
Yes! Ill jump on chapter 8 sometime today hopefully.
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