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Offline 21 strings

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Gospel Jazz vs. Standard Jazz
« on: January 09, 2009, 07:59:44 PM »
I think standard jazz is a key element into expanding your ears and knowledge of music, phrasing and placement. Placement has been the biggest problem with most gospel musicians of today. Usually gospel musicians play jazz as if it's a free for all. When in fact it's just the opposite. I understand expression. But the way most gospel musicians play jazz....it's a violation. Have you ever noticed when a jazz purist tries to play gospel music they seem too laid back, too calm. Well that's because they don't interpret a pure gospel style in a church setting. It's the opposite for church musicians playing jazz. We tend to over play in all the wrong areas. I think Kim Burrell and Pro. James Hall are two artist who come closest to executing gospel/jazz. But, you must keep in mind the type of musicians playing behind them. Asaph Ward, Dubie Powell, Jonathan Duboise, John Peters, Reggie Young, Joel Smith, Melvin Crispell, Mike Phillips  and Jeff Davis to name a few. Consider what they've studied along with who they worship. You are what you eat. But you can never be what you chase.

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Re: Gospel Jazz vs. Standard Jazz
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2009, 03:40:08 AM »
I think I agree with you.

The reason great jazz is great is that its an interactive thing. There is space.  Sometimes the best thing you play is what you didn't play. It's not 6 guys playing everything they know all at the same time.  Even if you have the most badass riff you want to play, its not going to even be heard if you're playing against five other people.  Somebody has to stay home and "feed the cat".

But also, we see groups of church musicians who are put together like "All Star" teams.  These groups inevitably suck, because they're trying to outdo each other rather than do their jobs, which is to draw the congregation into the spirit of worship.




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Re: Gospel Jazz vs. Standard Jazz
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2009, 03:52:13 AM »
I think I agree with you.

The reason great jazz is great is that its an interactive thing. There is space.  Sometimes the best thing you play is what you didn't play. It's not 6 guys playing everything they know all at the same time.  Even if you have the most badass riff you want to play, its not going to even be heard if you're playing against five other people.  Somebody has to stay home and "feed the cat".

But also, we see groups of church musicians who are put together like "All Star" teams.  These groups inevitably suck, because they're trying to outdo each other rather than do their jobs, which is to draw the congregation into the spirit of worship.





Watch your language, this isnt the drum room :D

I agree though

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Re: Gospel Jazz vs. Standard Jazz
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2011, 03:20:46 PM »
I will watch my language. I do not want to offend, even though kids can curse me a blue streak and pretend they never heard such language before. I have been cursed out by kids many times, however I was the professional and had to have a thick skin and let it roll off my back.

Understanding and expanding my knowledge base through Jazz and Classical music has improved my Gospel playing and teaching. I have learned a lot from the best recording artists in Gospel as well. The recordings yield a lot of information.

Each style borrows from each other. Even if you don't intentionally mean to take something from another genre you will find it creeping into your music if you don't watch it. It is difficult to keep improvised music seperate.
The greatest mistake most amateur musicians make is giving up.  Don't give up !!!
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