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Re: Just a quick video of me messin around before a show.
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2008, 07:16:17 AM »

Thanks man
yea man its hard going from playing in a huge church to playing in a 10x12 room. what you think is quiet isnt that quiet to people who are used to that kind of environment. now sometimes they do be goin overboard with the "your too loud" but it is an art to be able to play both quiet and loud and not lose any intensity, chops, or musicality.

nah man. i call very few people in this world a beast and it makes some people mad when i tell them i dont consider them a beast. because to me a beast is someone that plays EVERY style on level 10 fluently. not someone who can blaze gospel but cant swing. or someone who can play latin/afro-cuban but cant lay down a rock groove. not only with the grooves but the chops as well, to know that your little off beat latin fill will not work in a Rock song. or your Gospel lick will not work in a country tune. im still striving hard to be able to play every style like its supposed to sound and be able to do them ALL above average. when someone gets there is when i consider them a beast. but in regards to the musicality im waiting on a copy of the DVD and i'll see what i can do for ya'll.

To be honest and i tell it to everyone. Berklee has done nothing really but given me an opportunity to sit down and truly shed out some stuff. yea some teachers may give you insight in certain things but i was kind of spoiled before i came to school and i was taught how to "fish" before i came here. so alot of the stuff i have developed came from just truly shedding. sitting down and listening to myself and such. realizing what works and what doesnt. thats what berklee has done for me. not everyone though. some people come here and they have to get taught how to be the fisherman instead of the buyer. i was blessed to have a teacher that taught me how to fish. i wont tell you that i learned nothing though. i learned a great deal about music as a whole. as far as writing, producing, arranging, etc. but playing wise i feel as though God pulled me away just for me to sit my butt down and shed it out.

No im not telling people to not go to Berklee. Berklee is a great learning environment and i have learned more from watching/listning to other players than my private teachers in some regards and just being under the tutelage of some good musicians. not all the teachers at berklee are good to be under but there are a few who will tell you like it is and thats kinda what i needed. i was getting it at home but only in regards to one genre i learned it now from a variety of sources.

i could go on all day about what Berklee does and doesnt do but thats not the point of this thread. lol the point of it is to tell me what you think i did wrong so i can go fix it lol

thanks for all the support guys

I don't use that word often, and I have had people to get upset with because my criteria was a lot different than their own.

My criteria is a bit different, however. I'm not so much interested in how many genre's someone can play fluently, as I am interested in how well they play what they do play. Because of how deep this music goes, you can spend a life-time not only learning to play a genre authentically, but discovering ways to enhance what has already been done, or to take the genre to places it has yet to go. Because of that, I can respect someone who can only play one genre EXTREMELY well. That may sound like a limited musician, but I think each and every genre is a vast musical universe waiting to be explored. Gospel hasn't stopped evolving, and it will continue to evolve past our lifetimes.

Now, I do think if you're going to branch off into other genres, then you should respect that genre enough to learn to play it fluently, otherwise....yeah.

Now, as for the my definition of a beast...

...when I think of a beast, I think of a ferocious animal, possessing beyond what it is believed humans are capable of possessing. So, whether it's creativity, speed, musicality, work-ethic or what have you...

....anyone that possess these qualities to a point that it is considered so-called 'superhuman', that is what I consider a beast. Of course, it is all relative ... because a beast to a 10 year-old, in his parents basement, may very well not be a beast to ...say... Chris Coleman. I saw Thomas Lang play ten pedals on some website...

...my brotha, that is beastly. Ten pedals? That is very far from what most anyone would consider normal or possible. Back when I used to like to freestyle, their was this guy from NY that could flow from the top for hours upon hours. That ... is beastly.

So, yeah ... you get my point. However, because I so rarely hear anyone say they don't use that word freely, I had to comment.

That suggests to me that you have high expectations for yourself, as well.

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Re: Just a quick video of me messin around before a show.
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2008, 04:03:12 PM »

nah man. i call very few people in this world a beast and it makes some people mad when i tell them i dont consider them a beast. because to me a beast is someone that plays EVERY style on level 10 fluently. not someone who can blaze gospel but cant swing. or someone who can play latin/afro-cuban but cant lay down a rock groove. not only with the grooves but the chops as well, to know that your little off beat latin fill will not work in a Rock song. or your Gospel lick will not work in a country tune. im still striving hard to be able to play every style like its supposed to sound and be able to do them ALL above average. when someone gets there is when i consider them a beast. but in regards to the musicality im waiting on a copy of the DVD and i'll see what i can do for ya'll.

i could go on all day about what Berklee does and doesnt do but thats not the point of this thread. lol the point of it is to tell me what you think i did wrong so i can go fix it lol

thanks for all the support guys



Uh yeah man whatever.  Whatever happened to "Thanks" and keep it moving?  I said you were a beast.  That is obviously based on what I've seen, which was blowing chops during a sound check.  I never accused you of being fluent in every genre of music homie.  Ive never even heard you play a real song.  And why didnt you post the actual show anyway?  Just curious.  You have the funniest attitude sometimes but its cool.

And like I said before.  We cant critique and correct a person who's messing around.  By the way, youre spending a lot of money at Berkley and still coming to LGM for advice?  What do your professors say about your drumming?  What did they say you did wrong on that performance so you could fix it?   

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Re: Just a quick video of me messin around before a show.
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2008, 05:07:09 PM »

Uh yeah man whatever.  Whatever happened to "Thanks" and keep it moving?  I said you were a beast.  That is obviously based on what I've seen, which was blowing chops during a sound check.  I never accused you of being fluent in every genre of music homie.  Ive never even heard you play a real song.  And why didnt you post the actual show anyway?  Just curious.  You have the funniest attitude sometimes but its cool.

And like I said before.  We cant critique and correct a person who's messing around.  By the way, youre spending a lot of money at Berkley and still coming to LGM for advice?  What do your professors say about your drumming?  What did they say you did wrong on that performance so you could fix it?   

lol.

I knew it.

I sort of figured it'd be better if he sent you that response in private, and said 'Thank You' publicly...

...but I was sick on the 4th of July, ultimately missing all the fireworks. I'll send you a check in the mail.

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Re: Just a quick video of me messin around before a show.
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2008, 05:07:41 PM »
Two things I would like you to discuss:
 
Your foot technique and your control exercises. You don't not seem to dribble the pedal in a cheat way. You have control, independence and accuracy of placement. I assume that came from Chris's influence/instruction and working with the metronome.

Your setup... is very much a cockpit as opposed to most guys in the urban church background. Though you have the rack toms low it seems fairly relative. How does this affect your stroke and rebound? Talk to us about ergonomics and you.


Well um. lol dont really have anything specific that i really worked on to much. the only thing i really do is go through the different subdivisions of 16th notes. so i will play quarter notes on the hi hat, 2&4 on the snare. then go through the different subdivisions. heres a quick finale version of what im talking about

http://cfdrums.com/BD.pdf


as far as placement of things. it's kinda hard to explain. i first set my seat so that im balanced and im not to high/too low. then from there its hi hat and snare. i have my hi hat a little higher than most cause it helps when doing things that are busier between the hi  hat and snare and keeps the sticks from hitting each other sometimes. from there the toms are just set at a comfortable height. the cymbals are a bit higher than some would because i like them to move freely and not be all on top of the drums. it also helps the engineers with mic placement.

I don't use that word often, and I have had people to get upset with because my criteria was a lot different than their own.

My criteria is a bit different, however. I'm not so much interested in how many genre's someone can play fluently, as I am interested in how well they play what they do play. Because of how deep this music goes, you can spend a life-time not only learning to play a genre authentically, but discovering ways to enhance what has already been done, or to take the genre to places it has yet to go. Because of that, I can respect someone who can only play one genre EXTREMELY well. That may sound like a limited musician, but I think each and every genre is a vast musical universe waiting to be explored. Gospel hasn't stopped evolving, and it will continue to evolve past our lifetimes.

Now, I do think if you're going to branch off into other genres, then you should respect that genre enough to learn to play it fluently, otherwise....yeah.

Now, as for the my definition of a beast...

...when I think of a beast, I think of a ferocious animal, possessing beyond what it is believed humans are capable of possessing. So, whether it's creativity, speed, musicality, work-ethic or what have you...

....anyone that possess these qualities to a point that it is considered so-called 'superhuman', that is what I consider a beast. Of course, it is all relative ... because a beast to a 10 year-old, in his parents basement, may very well not be a beast to ...say... Chris Coleman. I saw Thomas Lang play ten pedals on some website...

...my brotha, that is beastly. Ten pedals? That is very far from what most anyone would consider normal or possible. Back when I used to like to freestyle, their was this guy from NY that could flow from the top for hours upon hours. That ... is beastly.

So, yeah ... you get my point. However, because I so rarely hear anyone say they don't use that word freely, I had to comment.

That suggests to me that you have high expectations for yourself, as well.



i fully respect that i guess i should have pointed out that i will say people are beasts at whatever they are playing at that time but the whole true beast thing comes in when they have to do a gig that requires knowledge of more than one genre.

Good point!


Uh yeah man whatever.  Whatever happened to "Thanks" and keep it moving?  I said you were a beast.  That is obviously based on what I've seen, which was blowing chops during a sound check.  I never accused you of being fluent in every genre of music homie.  Ive never even heard you play a real song.  And why didnt you post the actual show anyway?  Just curious.  You have the funniest attitude sometimes but its cool.

And like I said before.  We cant critique and correct a person who's messing around.  By the way, youre spending a lot of money at Berkley and still coming to LGM for advice?  What do your professors say about your drumming?  What did they say you did wrong on that performance so you could fix it?  


I didnt post the song because we actually dont have the DVD yet. they make about 3-4 dvds of shows and clinics a day and most likely more than that so i have to wait for them to be finalized and my copy made. thats about the only reason why i havent posted the show. if you guys wanna see it i'll put some of it up whenever i get it.

The only reason i ask for critique here is because i am a person who learns from every one so i do that online by asking everyone's opinion. im not a person that wears my heart on my sleeve so when people tell me that they didnt like something it doesnt offend me it instead compels me to view it from another perspective and in turn it helps me out for future gigs because if someone else were to say the same suggestion on a paid gig and i hadnt worked at that kind of adjustment i would be SOL.

I ask professors all the time and i play things for my teachers all the time they all tell me what i can do better on a daily basis in regards to chops and just grooving. I also know that their opinions arent the only ones in the world and some people have made the mistake of listning to just a few faculty here at the school then they get in the real world and are so stuck in their ways they cant adjust.

By opening myself to various critiques i thereby can go practice and conform to those different critiques so that in the event that i need to conform on the spot then i can and its not something new to me. i know i will never get everyones opinion and be able to conform something in everyway but i would prefer to learn it now than have to learn it the hard way by not getting called for gigs.

I appreciate the compliments its just that i honestly dont see myself that great on the drums. in that clip i can point to something about every two seconds that was wrong. so thats why if someone says ima beast i take it but i dont agree with it.

once again thanks for all the support

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Re: Just a quick video of me messin around before a show.
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2008, 05:19:48 PM »
U guys type too much!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!  ::)

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Re: Just a quick video of me messin around before a show.
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2008, 10:41:08 AM »
I with Sheen on this one homie. Its hard to critique when youre messing around. To me messing around goes with not being serious (My Opinion) so therefor its harder to critique when you are not being serious "Just Messing around". IDK its like everyone wants critique on chops to me yo, or just little snippets. You are ready said you can find something every two seconds you need to work on. So I say thats enough for the moment. Now when you finish working on that and need something else then come back. I mean straight up homie..If you already have a quite of bit, then why come ask?? No hard feelings bro. just giving my opinion yo. I mean the clip was good, I mean you were just messing around. Its cool though homie just keep striving and giving God the glory!!

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Re: Just a quick video of me messin around before a show.
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2008, 02:01:56 PM »
Well um. lol dont really have anything specific that i really worked on to much. the only thing i really do is go through the different subdivisions of 16th notes. so i will play quarter notes on the hi hat, 2&4 on the snare. then go through the different subdivisions. heres a quick finale version of what im talking about

http://cfdrums.com/BD.pdf


as far as placement of things. it's kinda hard to explain. i first set my seat so that im balanced and im not to high/too low. then from there its hi hat and snare. i have my hi hat a little higher than most cause it helps when doing things that are busier between the hi  hat and snare and keeps the sticks from hitting each other sometimes. from there the toms are just set at a comfortable height. the cymbals are a bit higher than some would because i like them to move freely and not be all on top of the drums. it also helps the engineers with mic placement.



You gave the kind of answers that i was looking for. See the folks on LGM need to know the hows and whys of the favorite cats so that they know hoew to apply the things that they are stealing from them.

I can say stuff all day and some folk won't here me but will Listen to you.

You posting this PDF of notation to practice will encourage folks to learn to read and how important the fundamentals are. thank you for the great response. Next time don't be so shy... you have the goods now refine the presentation. you are in a blessed position... pay it forward through teaching the knowledge here.
Try not to become a person of success but rather a person of VALUE. - T. Harv Eker
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