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Offline mdandrews

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HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« on: November 28, 2008, 07:09:17 PM »
SO THE ? IS HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY? DID YOU TAKE LESSONS, READ BOOKS, SOMEONE SHOWED YOU A FEW THINGS AND YOU JUST PICKED IT UP FROM THERE? PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT LEARNING STYLES. SOME NEED VISAUL AD AND SOME DO NOT. MY SELF I LEARN FASTER BY VISUAL. ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT I'M REALLY SLOW TO PICK UP( WHEN IT COMES TO PLAYING KEYBOARD) YOU KNOW IF THERE WERE DVDS ON THE MARKET THAT SHOWS/TEACHES THE WAY BRO T-BLOCK DOES WITH THEORY ON THIS SIGHT MANY PEOPLE WOULD PICK UP GOSPEL MUCH FASTER ;D SO, SHARE YOUR WISDOM ON HOW YOU LEARNED AND YOUR JOURNEY ON HOW YOU GOT WHERE YOU ARE TODAY.

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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2008, 09:14:24 PM »
Since I'm gonna assume you mean gospel, I just took what I knew in the classical world and transfered the theory to gospel.  I listened to gospel CDs and tried to figure out what progressions were used the most and what chords were used to play them.  Once I got my list together, it was all about practicing it in every key to become fluent.

Along the way, I picked up little tricks here and there that I saw other musicians doing.  Of course, everything I learned I put my own little spin on it so that I could play it my way.
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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2008, 10:52:55 PM »
I learned practically all I know and can do playing the keyboad by means of books, courses, and LGM.Com.  My major regret is that I did not get a teacher early on who was into gospel music, and who knew how to teach.  I know without any doubt that I would have progressed much faster and gone much farther if I had done that.

I started out with big note books and learned to chord with my left hand and to play one finger melodies with my right. I ignored the recommended fingering and used what I thought was convienient to me.(error)

After I learned all the chords(triads and 7th chords) and could play them very well, I added a second note(from the chord)to the melody notes in my right hand so that I was playing a chord with my left and partial chords with my right.

Then I heard someone playing bass notes with their left hands in runs and chords with their right.  I learned to do that. It took a while to learn hand independence. All the while doing this, I practiced some reading(not much but fairly regularly)

I had noticed that there were some progressions that musicians seemed to use a lot. When I asked about them, no one would really tell me anything. I finally figured out a 6-2-5-1. Then a 3-4-5-6-7-8. I use many versions of the 6-2-5-1 to this day.

I started to go to the LGM web site and learned many progressions and chords. Many songs I learned from the chord postings that were available there.

A lot of the theory postings were very hepful as well. T-Block, Ferrente and others are very generous with their knowledge and have made very comprehensive postings.

I also bought a huge gospel fake book and learned to play using a fake book.

I played in public from the start as often as I could.

I have taken at least 15 mail order CD courses.  Some had value, some were worthless.  Jermaine Griggs, Hartwell, Gregg Hannon, Ethel Caffie-Austin off the top of my head, were good.  Jermaine's 300 page course is good. I have several of his courses.

I have always practiced at least an half hour each day, but usually, I practice 1 to 2 hours.

I never really learned to read music very well. So little of gospel music is learned from reading that I likely didn't give it the proper time and attention.

After 10 years, give or take some months, I can play almost any traditional song(after a fashion)that one might sing and in any key.  I can learn most contemporary songs but I cannot play them off the top of my head.         

I would class myself as somewhat above a beginner as a performer.  I am well in the intermediate range in knowledge of music though. It is hard to put the two together.

I know that having a teacher for the first couple of years would have benefitted me.   

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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2008, 07:45:41 AM »
I heard some kids playing "lean on me" in block triads in the key of C when I was about 7. They couldnt hear that the penultimate chord was a G(7) chord rather than a Bdim triad. I could hear that it wasnt right and corrected them. I think that summer, the school offered piano lessons. I took them then my folks enrolled me in private lessons.  I switched to gospel piano lessons with a local artist here in DC named Shirley Ables. She got me to start playing for church where all I played was some written sheet music for the a few of our choirs. In high school (arts school) I played sax, and studied more classical piano as a minor concentration. I also played aux keys in a funk/r&b band and continued piano lessons until I went to college. Then in college I studied sax, and just a lil jazz piano. And continued to play aux keys in my band. After about 2-3 years, that band broke and I joined a funk band on aux and then main keys.

I took several years off of playing after college, then God gave me the desire to play for church. Ive been playing for churches by ear for the last 4 years. The first paid church gig was at a church that was using the cds, so when I came in I had no choice but to play by ear, the songs that they liked to sing. Then I started picking up stuff from cds, learning that alot of artists were using 2s in their triads, etc. I learned the easy worship progression (3 wholesteps) on accident one day in service after picking up "Because of Who You Are" (Yohe).
The rest has been picking up songs from CDs, in service, tritones from Jamal, playing with the 1 and 5 in the left hand from LGM along with some other songs, etc., etc.

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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2008, 10:04:11 AM »

I learned the easy worship progression (3 wholesteps) on accident one day in service after picking up "Because of Who You Are" (Yohe).


What is this? How do you do it?

I learned to play from a friend of mine who played in church and he showed me 3 chords- C F G. For a while that is all i could play. I took some music lessons and learned how to read and stuff but never took it seriously. My growth has just come in the last 8 months since i have been playing for church. A lot of the stuff i know came from learning from CDs and DVDs and books and chord charts and all that.
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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2008, 07:31:01 PM »
Any key.

The key you're in is the highest triad. The other two are below that one. Play em in any order. I play them in different qualities (major, minor, sus, quartal). They are typically major and each one is a step apart. So..

ie.


Cmajor

CG/BDEG
BbF/ACDF
AbEb/GBbCEb

up and down, back and forth. You've definately heard it before. I dont know but a few years ago, everybody in gospel started to do it, and they find some creative ways to incorporate it.

Its even in Robin Thicke's "Sweetest Love" which could be an excellent gospel song, btw. (162536251)

Now when you try minor, pick one to be minor, I dont think it works quite as well, when all are minor, same thing for quartal voicings. Suspended however,  does work for all the chords.
Play with it.


It also makes an interesting way to modulate up a halfstep.

ie take this 251

DA/FACE
GD/FACF
CG/CDEG
BbF/BbCDF
AbEb/GbBbDbGb
DbAb/DbEbFAb

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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2008, 07:35:26 PM »
Since I'm gonna assume you mean gospel, I just took what I knew in the classical world and transfered the theory to gospel.  I listened to gospel CDs and tried to figure out what progressions were used the most and what chords were used to play them.  Once I got my list together, it was all about practicing it in every key to become fluent.

Along the way, I picked up little tricks here and there that I saw other musicians doing.  Of course, everything I learned I put my own little spin on it so that I could play it my way.

Similar story....came over from classical...

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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2008, 09:23:44 PM »
Any key.

The key you're in is the highest triad. The other two are below that one. Play em in any order. I play them in different qualities (major, minor, sus, quartal). They are typically major and each one is a step apart. So..

ie.


Cmajor

CG/BDEG
BbF/ACDF
AbEb/GBbCEb

up and down, back and forth. You've definately heard it before. I dont know but a few years ago, everybody in gospel started to do it, and they find some creative ways to incorporate it.

Its even in Robin Thicke's "Sweetest Love" which could be an excellent gospel song, btw. (162536251)

Now when you try minor, pick one to be minor, I dont think it works quite as well, when all are minor, same thing for quartal voicings. Suspended however,  does work for all the chords.
Play with it.


It also makes an interesting way to modulate up a halfstep.

ie take this 251

DA/FACE
GD/FACF
CG/CDEG
BbF/BbCDF
AbEb/GbBbDbGb
DbAb/DbEbFAb

Yessir!! That is sweet! I could use that for talk music actually. Thanks a lot. This is the second idea i am getting from you. :)
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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2008, 11:35:44 AM »
STILL LEARNING!!! Took lessons, but basically picked up certain things along the way----but STILL LEARNING!
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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2008, 01:09:53 PM »
Any key.

The key you're in is the highest triad. The other two are below that one. Play em in any order. I play them in different qualities (major, minor, sus, quartal). They are typically major and each one is a step apart. So..

ie.


Cmajor

CG/BDEG
BbF/ACDF
AbEb/GBbCEb

up and down, back and forth. You've definately heard it before. I dont know but a few years ago, everybody in gospel started to do it, and they find some creative ways to incorporate it.

Its even in Robin Thicke's "Sweetest Love" which could be an excellent gospel song, btw. (162536251)

Now when you try minor, pick one to be minor, I dont think it works quite as well, when all are minor, same thing for quartal voicings. Suspended however,  does work for all the chords.Play with it.


It also makes an interesting way to modulate up a halfstep.

ie take this 251

DA/FACE
GD/FACF
CG/CDEG
BbF/BbCDF
AbEb/GbBbDbGb
DbAb/DbEbFAb

Sus chords are the chameleons of music!  Lately I use them all the time and they always sound good!

Because it doesn't contain a Major 3rd or a Minor 3rd it almost always fits.

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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2008, 01:44:26 PM »
Sus chords are the chameleons of music!  Lately I use them all the time and they always sound good!

Because it doesn't contain a Major 3rd or a Minor 3rd it almost always fits.

Yeah you don't want to overdo it with the sus chords. They work best for me when i have to play a major chord. I don't really like using them when the song calls for a minor chord.
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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2008, 02:19:20 PM »
Yeah you don't want to overdo it with the sus chords. They work best for me when i have to play a major chord. I don't really like using them when the song calls for a minor chord.

That's really when I use them.  Remember I'm an organist so....

If I wanted to play an A minor I'd play a Major 3rd in my left and a C sus in my right.

A7#5#9

A/A-Db/F-G-C

For piano I'd probably play:

A-A/G-C-Db-F

or

A-Db/C-F-G-C (This A-Db interval is a 10th)

Sounds nice. 

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Re: HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY?
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2008, 08:24:40 PM »
That's really when I use them.  Remember I'm an organist so....

If I wanted to play an A minor I'd play a Major 3rd in my left and a C sus in my right.

A7#5#9
A/A-Db/F-G-C

For piano I'd probably play:

A-A/G-C-Db-F

or

A-Db/C-F-G-C (This A-Db interval is a 10th)

Sounds nice. 
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