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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2008, 06:38:59 PM »
Wow man really? Is it because he's not playing gospel music?

Nah man, JoJo, T. Pridgen, and Sonny Emory are my 3 fav drummers and none of them are playing gospel right now or ever. I appreciate his ability, but have never cared for his style at all. It's weird...but there can be no denying the dudes talent and work ethic. 
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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2008, 06:46:10 PM »
this is tony asap concert preview... its pretty sick...  :o


http://beta.drumchannel.com/entertainment/3051.aspx



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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2008, 06:59:59 PM »
Good points Sabe and J_Kay.  The short stack tom thing is definitely not a new thing.

I've always appreciated Tony's ability and work ethic...but I just have not been able to get with dude's style behind the kit...his playing just does nothing for me personally...but like I said, he's incredibly talented and works very hard it. Dude is really fast. Thanks for the share...

I understand how you feel.  I truly respect what it takes to be Tony Royster as far as the work ethic and dedication that goes into playing, but sometimes he's a little too mechanical.  He's like Dave Weckl to me sometimes....  More mechanical than emotional. 

I definitely appreciate the share tho.
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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2008, 07:01:01 PM »
Nah man, JoJo, T. Pridgen, and Sonny Emory are my 3 fav drummers and none of them are playing gospel right now or ever. I appreciate his ability, but have never cared for his style at all. It's weird...but there can be no denying the dudes talent and work ethic. 

Really bro, that's insane! To each his own though I guess.

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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2008, 07:03:23 PM »
the kit sounds great!

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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2008, 08:21:41 PM »
Good points Sabe and J_Kay.  The short stack tom thing is definitely not a new thing.

I understand how you feel.  I truly respect what it takes to be Tony Royster as far as the work ethic and dedication that goes into playing, but sometimes he's a little too mechanical.  He's like Dave Weckl to me sometimes....  More mechanical than emotional. 
I definitely appreciate the share tho.

I think Tony played great.  Very Technical and I can see and feel the more mechanical than emotional part.  However, with Dave it's DIFFERENT!!!  Trust me he is "mechanical" to an extent.  The dude is probably the cleanest cat out there, BUT!!!! When you see him live and hear him play LIVE you FEEL that emotional aspect you are referring too.  The SOUND he gets out of his drums are amazing.  The way he pulls the sound out, is something that you need to feel live.  The dynamics (which is what makes music IMHO), the stretching, the subtle nuances (that only trained ears can hear), and let alone the execution is what makes him sooooo great.  So I understand the whole "mechanical" part because he is that accurate, but trust me the dude has that emotional side to him too.  The effortless perpetual motion that he has, the notes that are not being played, but felt, man Dave's got that.  Sorry didn't mean to go on a rampage, but by the way don't get me started on Vinnie!!!!  If you I think I love Dave man you don't even want to know about Vinnie LOL!!!   ;D ;D :D ;). One last thing, the thing is that Dave's recordings, the fusion music he's playing is ok.  Alot of it sounds the same to an extent.  However, I've heard Dave play cover tunes at the DrumFantasy Camp 07 and trust me the dude is bringing it pocketwise and knows how to lay it down!!!   Take care and God Bless.

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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2008, 09:48:30 PM »
I am very familiar with the DW short stacks because I had owned a set. It was cool while I had them, but that season ended and it was time to move on to the next phase!
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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2008, 10:53:10 PM »
Whaddup Drumzalicious what have you been up to? I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that remembers when  Drumworkshop put the Short stack toms on the market as a special order item. I think Terry Bozzio was the first major drumset artist to play them.

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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2008, 11:32:09 PM »
this is tony asap concert preview... its pretty sick...  :o


http://beta.drumchannel.com/entertainment/3051.aspx


Thanks for posting that link bro. What was I thinking! >:(

I think Tony played great.  Very Technical and I can see and feel the more mechanical than emotional part.  However, with Dave it's DIFFERENT!!!  Trust me he is "mechanical" to an extent.  The dude is probably the cleanest cat out there, BUT!!!! When you see him live and hear him play LIVE you FEEL that emotional aspect you are referring too.  The SOUND he gets out of his drums are amazing.  The way he pulls the sound out, is something that you need to feel live.  The dynamics (which is what makes music IMHO), the stretching, the subtle nuances (that only trained ears can hear), and let alone the execution is what makes him sooooo great.  So I understand the whole "mechanical" part because he is that accurate, but trust me the dude has that emotional side to him too.  The effortless perpetual motion that he has, the notes that are not being played, but felt, man Dave's got that.  Sorry didn't mean to go on a rampage, but by the way don't get me started on Vinnie!!!!  If you I think I love Dave man you don't even want to know about Vinnie LOL!!!   ;D ;D :D ;). One last thing, the thing is that Dave's recordings, the fusion music he's playing is ok.  Alot of it sounds the same to an extent.  However, I've heard Dave play cover tunes at the DrumFantasy Camp 07 and trust me the dude is bringing it pocketwise and knows how to lay it down!!!   Take care and God Bless.

Carlito



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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2008, 06:05:10 AM »
When it comes to virtuosity, I have found that the more skill is acquired, the more predominant it becomes in someones playing.

I've seen it happens to many musicians, in many different genres. When their is a strong emphasis on the development of technical proficiency, the substance of the music tends to suffer in many instances. When their is a strong emphasis on learning the theory of music, the creativity  often suffers. Of course, I mean relative to styles of music where creativity and musicality are of supreme importance.

I find that MANY musicians - even some well respected ones - can fall into the 'Technical Drone Zone'. To me, acquiring technical skill is often like having a vast vocabulary. When you're around others who have vast vocabularies(technical skill), their is pressure to use words that aren't necessary to express yourself(Showcase said skill).

Oh, yes ... many musicians don't realize that what they practice, has more to do with impressing other musicians, than it does with learning to support and/or enhance the MUSIC. Whether we will admit it or not, those people out in the audience who don't know a rack tom from a floor tom aren't NEARLY as important to us as the dude standing over your shoulder wondering what you're going to show him next.

I've seen this mentality all the way from the top of the musical hierarchy to the bottom. It's difficult to separate from, because if you think about it, it was largely a part of the reason you started practicing, attended school for music, and had a desire to tour/be in the limelight. It's at the very root of many musicians reasons for playing, so no matter how far they've come, they're always slaves to the expectations of other musicians, forcing them into becoming nothing more than virtuoso's ... with moderate to minimal substance in their playing...

....rather than remembering those people in the audience, who would prefer to have a musical experience, and could care careless about how clean and fast your singles are.

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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2008, 08:56:41 AM »
When it comes to virtuosity, I have found that the more skill is acquired, the more predominant it becomes in someones playing.

I've seen it happens to many musicians, in many different genres. When their is a strong emphasis on the development of technical proficiency, the substance of the music tends to suffer in many instances. When their is a strong emphasis on learning the theory of music, the creativity  often suffers. Of course, I mean relative to styles of music where creativity and musicality are of supreme importance.

I find that MANY musicians - even some well respected ones - can fall into the 'Technical Drone Zone'. To me, acquiring technical skill is often like having a vast vocabulary. When you're around others who have vast vocabularies(technical skill), their is pressure to use words that aren't necessary to express yourself(Showcase said skill).

Oh, yes ... many musicians don't realize that what they practice, has more to do with impressing other musicians, than it does with learning to support and/or enhance the MUSIC. Whether we will admit it or not, those people out in the audience who don't know a rack tom from a floor tom aren't NEARLY as important to us as the dude standing over your shoulder wondering what you're going to show him next.

I've seen this mentality all the way from the top of the musical hierarchy to the bottom. It's difficult to separate from, because if you think about it, it was largely a part of the reason you started practicing, attended school for music, and had a desire to tour/be in the limelight. It's at the very root of many musicians reasons for playing, so no matter how far they've come, they're always slaves to the expectations of other musicians, forcing them into becoming nothing more than virtuoso's ... with moderate to minimal substance in their playing...

....rather than remembering those people in the audience, who would prefer to have a musical experience, and could care careless about how clean and fast your singles are.



Wow...just wow :o

SUPERB POST!!!

I completely understand what you mean. Your point is proven even further in the subtle grammatical errors in your post! Had you been more magniloquent/technical in explaining your views, it may have come across as static and lifeless. You're a genius my friend. ;)
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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2008, 10:02:05 AM »
Good points Sabe and J_Kay.  The short stack tom thing is definitely not a new thing.

I understand how you feel.  I truly respect what it takes to be Tony Royster as far as the work ethic and dedication that goes into playing, but sometimes he's a little too mechanical.  He's like Dave Weckl to me sometimes....  More mechanical than emotional. 

I definitely appreciate the share tho.

Excellent!! There must be a balance to get to a level such as Vinnie C for example. The great thing I like about Tony is he has a great attitude and a work ethic to work and get to the point to where he is equally impressive both techinally and emotionally. Some musicians have worked hard enough to earn respect which is the case here I believe. His love and dedication to what he does cannot be disputed.

The one thing we cannot say is that he isn't having fun up there. He's not my #1 favorite drummer, but you can tell he loves what he does and that inspires me so much. If he can begin to display that passion through his playing balanced with his limitless techical ability..... :o :o :o  I believe those days are not for from us.

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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2008, 06:04:22 PM »
...Wow!!!  Tony has some really great ideas.  I'm diggin' this clip.  Love the foot work too.  Tony needs to be in next year's MD Fest. 8)
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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2008, 07:47:26 PM »
...Wow!!!  Tony has some really great ideas.  I'm diggin' this clip.  Love the foot work too.  Tony needs to be in next year's MD Fest. 8)

Agreed.

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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2008, 10:23:51 PM »
You know whats funny is that TAMA wasnt the first company to introduce toms like that

Awhile ago you could special order those toms from DW since they were a custom kit maker. same for pearl and even Travis Barker had a rack tom like that on his OCDP kit.


yeah was gonna say the same thing lol, tony has been playing dw short stacks since he was about 12 lol

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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2008, 10:26:12 PM »
this video is BONKERS :o btw, even though i'm not much a fan of Tony!

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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2008, 12:55:28 AM »
Tony is a beast I like how the OZONE CYMBALS SOUND
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« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2008, 10:18:33 AM »
...had to come back to this clip.  The singles he was doing at the :44 - :56 mark were clean and precise.

...I'm diggin' the ideas he was throwing at the 1:13 - 1:17. 

...back to the dungeon.  Gotta get those Singles cleaned up.  8)
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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2008, 11:50:44 AM »
I am very familiar with the DW short stacks because I had owned a set. It was cool while I had them, but that season ended and it was time to move on to the next phase!
I am super mad that the whole in-depth review of these drums didn't show up. I must have screwed something up. Oh well. If anyone wants to know more about the short stack drums from practical applications or has any questions about them, hit me up.
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Re: Royster on Tama HyperDrive-like DW Kit
« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2008, 10:21:14 PM »
those dw short stacks sound great....
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