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How to play in every key one step at a time
« on: July 15, 2008, 06:34:57 AM »
the task of playing in every key can be daunting

especially when you take so much effort getting all those phat crazy passes and runs down in one key

now you have to learn them 11 more times in 11 more positions

you have to over come muscle memory
its like solving a puzzle a difficult puzzle

well here is a suggestion that may help some of you with this dillema

and it really isnt too hard

do it one key at a time

what do I mean?

ask any musician church musician that is

9 times out of 10 they will tell you there favorite key is either Ab or Db

or C or F

the first answer  Ab or Db will be more contemporary musicians
the second answer will come from more traditional players

probe them further they will tell you

they like Eb and Bb as well

rarely will you hear Gb B E or A unless they are israel fans or former blues players

so if the average church musician without really trying will become proficient in 6
keys

and this is without trying

because these keys represent where most gospel songs are written

and there is a similarity
Ab and Db are similar
and Bb is similar to Eb
eb is similar to Ab
so somehow a natural progression develops that enables a musician who plays enough to develop a certain amount of proficiency in these 6 keys

oh I forgot how F and C come into the mix

well C is so easy to see so most people teach moves in C
and most people start out learning lean on me in
c

F is the key that amazing grace is taught and written so F is a good hymn key


so that being said
what would happen if you just learn how to play in what ever key appears one half step up or down from the key you are in

up one down one
I learned this concept before but it was up till now that I realize the importance and the genius of the concept

if you love the key of Db
and you learn all your songs in D natural as well right along with the Db

then D will eventually become just as easy to play as Db
and you automatically have a modulation at your fingertips

if you learn down one
then C will become as familiar and you can start in C and modulate twice

you have now set the foundation to master three keys



remember I said most musicians who play in Db will also learn in Ab

well when you go to Ab
learn in A as well

and in G

now you have mastered 6 keys and you havent even gotten to Eb Bb
F and C


it is inevitable that you will have to learn at least one or two songs in Eb

and if you are going to play some hymns you will be learning a few in the key of F

with that you will have mastered all the keys

one key at a time

first go up one

then go down one

that is all it takes


start today
it is never too late


up one down one

make this your mantra

up one down one


say it with me
up one down one

up one down one ..............................

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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 07:52:13 AM »
Thanks so much D, this is good advice. I have to ask though, why is Db the favorite keys for most contemporary musicians? Before i started with the GospelKeys DVDs, C was my favorite key. Now its C#/ Db. Then Gb. Even i cannot tell why i like Db, i just do. 
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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 10:16:28 AM »
Thanks so much D, this is good advice. I have to ask though, why is Db the favorite keys for most contemporary musicians? Before i started with the GospelKeys DVDs, C was my favorite key. Now its C#/ Db. Then Gb. Even i cannot tell why i like Db, i just do. 

I would be lying if I told you I know the answer for that question I can only tell you why I like it

the first song I learned that meant anything to me was in Db

it was battlefield by norman hutchins
and it was the funkiest song I knew and I patterned everything after that song

next was total praise so between those two songs Db became a strong key for me

funny because one of my first gospel songs was oh when the saints I learned that in C

and I learned my first group of devotional songs in the key of F



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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2008, 12:20:08 PM »
Thanks so much Diverse..

I like the concept you are teaching here, as informal as it might seem.
I actually learnt like this :D 8)

I started off in Gb..but then I realized that I couldnt modulate...& when I was asking people about their worse keys, I'd get responses of G, A etc..So I told myself I was going to learn all the keys that people around me shy away from.
I also did the half step up & down connection..I had a bit of Ab stuff since half the people around me played in that key.
SO I learnt G & it became my 2nd fav 8) Now I could connect from Gb to Ab.
I decided to learn F since it was a half step below my fav..
I then moved on to Eb since it felt a whole lot like Ab to me..
I also went to Bb because it felt alot like F.
I went to Db & B because they felt like Gb..
Along came the others.

Fenix:

Db is not my fav, but for talk music I find myself playing in that key if not B because the key uses all the black notes & it just feels way more natural for my fingers to play on "all black" notes...allowing for easy sliding "on top"..
I don't know about others.
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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2008, 12:54:22 PM »
so that being said
what would happen if you just learn how to play in what ever key appears one half step up or down from the key you are in

up one down one
I learned this concept before but it was up till now that I realize the importance and the genius of the concept

if you love the key of Db
and you learn all your songs in D natural as well right along with the Db

then D will eventually become just as easy to play as Db
and you automatically have a modulation at your fingertips

if you learn down one
then C will become as familiar and you can start in C and modulate twice

you have now set the foundation to master three keys

up one down one

make this your mantra

up one down one


say it with me
up one down one

up one down one ..............................

Now that's some simple, yet powerful advice right there.
Real musicians play in every key!!!
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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2008, 04:13:54 PM »
D!!!!! This is amazing. The only sad thing about this is that I just logged on and I see more people viewed how to play a Tye song rather than play in every key. IMHO, i think it should be the other way around, I'm not saying that I'm not into Tye or his music, (Born and raised in Philly i've seen him plenty of times). Trust me when I tell you, we as minstrels, we should strive to learn every key. I was just talking with one of Tye's musicians last night and he told me how you get more respect for playing a hymn in every key, than to play an entire cd just like someone. When you strive to play in every key, you open up your own creativity. Rather than just the way that an immature musician thinks (head and not heart). We don't need another Mike Bereal or John Peters, or PJ Morgan, Jamal, Jermaine, Sebastian. What we need are innovators that will challenge our musical minds to think musically outside the box. I'm not saying that i don't like the DVD's I have them as well, but I truly think that we need to dig deep and re-invent ourselves.

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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2008, 04:19:55 PM »
D!!!!! This is amazing. The only sad thing about this is that I just logged on and I see more people viewed how to play a Tye song rather than play in every key. IMHO, i think it should be the other way around, I'm not saying that I'm not into Tye or his music, (Born and raised in Philly i've seen him plenty of times). Trust me when I tell you, we as minstrels, we should strive to learn every key. I was just talking with one of Tye's musicians last night and he told me how you get more respect for playing a hymn in every key, than to play an entire cd just like someone. When you strive to play in every key, you open up your own creativity. Rather than just the way that an immature musician thinks (head and not heart). We don't need another Mike Bereal or John Peters, or PJ Morgan, Jamal, Jermaine, Sebastian. What we need are innovators that will challenge our musical minds to think musically outside the box. I'm not saying that i don't like the DVD's I have them as well, but I truly think that we need to dig deep and re-invent ourselves.

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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2008, 04:26:30 PM »
D!!!!! This is amazing. The only sad thing about this is that I just logged on and I see more people viewed how to play a Tye song rather than play in every key. IMHO, i think it should be the other way around, I'm not saying that I'm not into Tye or his music, (Born and raised in Philly i've seen him plenty of times). Trust me when I tell you, we as minstrels, we should strive to learn every key. I was just talking with one of Tye's musicians last night and he told me how you get more respect for playing a hymn in every key, than to play an entire cd just like someone. When you strive to play in every key, you open up your own creativity. Rather than just the way that an immature musician thinks (head and not heart). We don't need another Mike Bereal or John Peters, or PJ Morgan, Jamal, Jermaine, Sebastian. What we need are innovators that will challenge our musical minds to think musically outside the box. I'm not saying that i don't like the DVD's I have them as well, but I truly think that we need to dig deep and re-invent ourselves.

this is truly inspiring stuff

I like the quote you get more respect for playing a hymn in every key thatn playing an entire cd just like someone


playing in every key opens up your creativity


I like what you say

I dont agree that dvds encourage us to be like others

but I do agree that playing in every key opens us up as musicians

but when we look at monsters like john petersor pj morgan
and some of the other musicians on these dvds

we get a chance to learn from a top performer
the danger which is what I think you are trying to say is that we are just imitating and not finding our own voice.


interesting

I look forward to reading more of your posts
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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2008, 04:31:39 PM »
Same Here..... I'm with that!!!!!

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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2008, 04:41:48 PM »
This is good stuff. Thanks a lot.

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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2008, 06:52:19 PM »
HEY D...EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS TRUE I LEARNED HOW TO PLAY IN ALL KEY EXCEPT B,A,E....ALL THE REST I KNEW I LEARNED HOW TO PLAY OUT OF ALL OF THEM BUT Eb IS BEGINNING TO BE MY FAVORITE KEY...BUT IM STILL LEARNING NEW THINGS IN THE REST OF THEM AS I LEARN MORE SONGS AND DIFFERENT RUNS LICKS AND TRICKS....BUT THANKS 4 DA ADVICE...MUCH LOVE AND RESPECT TO ALL MY FOLLOW MUSICIANS INCLUDING MY DAD AND MY COUSIN....
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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2008, 07:01:03 PM »
HEY D...EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS TRUE I LEARNED HOW TO PLAY IN ALL KEY EXCEPT B,A,E....ALL THE REST I KNEW I LEARNED HOW TO PLAY OUT OF ALL OF THEM BUT Eb IS BEGINNING TO BE MY FAVORITE KEY...BUT IM STILL LEARNING NEW THINGS IN THE REST OF THEM AS I LEARN MORE SONGS AND DIFFERENT RUNS LICKS AND TRICKS....BUT THANKS 4 DA ADVICE...MUCH LOVE AND RESPECT TO ALL MY FOLLOW MUSICIANS INCLUDING MY DAD AND MY COUSIN....
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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2008, 09:25:45 PM »
yup my cuz and dad my inspiration
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2008, 09:52:05 PM »
Awesome 8)
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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2008, 08:46:37 PM »
This is some very good stuff INDEED!!!
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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2008, 03:39:40 PM »
I grew up in smallville USA….no players at all, I went to a pipe organist for 3 lessons, just to learn what key I was in(slow learner right?).  I started on organ at 14, and could chord 2 hands in Eflat nearly immediately, but play nothing else(I mean zilch) in other keys…Aflat, and Bflat came next.  I grew up cogic, so I used those 3 keys for congregational (of course all shouts in Aflat). At 16, a shift came to my life we started doing “worship” music, So I picked up Dflat and F, I grew in those keys, and then one day at 18 while fooling around Bnatural and F#opened up to me.  19 years I ventured and played for a Baptist church, so I learned C for hymns, and tune up chords.  So for many years, E,A,D,G were my weak or non existent keys.  A white brother came from an Assembly of God to sit under me ( I was MOM).  He led worship from the guitar, so of course I picked up E, A.  I then figured why settle at good enough, so I took on the challenge, and worked(and am still working) with my fluency in D & G.  I’m 33, and play more piano than organ now, but F# major is actually my favorite key, prophetically Eflat minor, Bflat minor, and A natural has great clarity to me.  I prefer to play in B, over Bflat major, I prefer E over F  …and I prefer A natural over G.  Funny thing is 20 years ago I played EVERY song in Eflat…..now, it’s like I avoid it, I typically don’t play in it, unless someone is singing in it(except Eflat minor)

I don’t have perfect pitch, so when I’m at home and practicing, I’ll hum a song or tune, and when I reach the piano, that's the key I have to start in, and I must modulate and play the song in all keys, without my pretend audience being able to decipher which keys are my weak or strong, my practice session is over, when I’ve gone thru all the keys seamlessly….but when I’m worshipping at the piano, I just choose a key and play my best to HIM.

I encourage you all to find the balance of working at your craft..... and ministering directly to God(your giftgiver)thru your playing

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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2008, 04:25:34 PM »
Thanks great advice indeed. I must admit I loves me some Db and Ab, still working on the other keys.

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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2008, 04:30:05 PM »
The thing that I did to learn my keys was convert everything I knew into numbers. I was then able to manually transpose to any key. Learning by numbers does INDEED make things much easier. ;) Thanks LGM!!!
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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2008, 06:47:50 AM »
good stuff D;thank LORD this is for KEYBOARDs,until this church;most praise teams were guitar -centered;most of these kats ONLY play in E+G,to play 1 !!!! song in Eb like pullin' teeth,gotta get the kapo out,"it's hard to play" yada,yada,yada  bunch o whimps

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Re: How to play in every key one step at a time
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2008, 09:36:37 AM »
very good info thanks alot.
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