b3 #4 scale run

[tek_uk]

Heard that cool line the other day i thought i'd share.

Don't know what the scale is called but almost sounds like you're playing outside.

Basically, over a Bb minor chord, it goes:
< : down
> :up
   
E > F < E < C < G < E > F > G (then as triplet) <  F > G < F (end of triplet) < E < Dd < C

Hope it makes sense  .
Basically the scale is:

Bb C  Dd  E  F G Ab
1   2  b3 #4 5 6 b7

and the #4 - 5 creates a sort of dissonance which i quite like...

Laurent

[Shadow_]

This is such a coincidence 'cos i just learned the scale (starting on a different degree) in all keys.

I learned the structure of it from a post by Musallio, but i varied my application of it.

the way i play the same scale u posted, i start on the C:

C,Db,E,F,G,Ab,Bb,C - - - - i can use it when playing in Eb,Ab,Bb,C and im sure many more that i have yet to discover.

What's even more interesting about this scale is that if you treat it as a normal major scale, you can come up with some beautiful progressions.

Again the formula: 1,b2,3,4,5,b6,b7,1

[chevonee]

I really appreciate all of the knowledge that you guys display. Hopefully this will all come together in my head so that I can use this in my playing. Right now though, its a bit confusing. I guess what I mean is this


E > F < E < C < G < E > F > G (then as triplet) <  F > G < F (end of triplet) < E < Dd < C

What does it mean to triplet? Hit these chords three times perhaps. I hope these aren't stupid questions, I just wanna make sure that I understand what I read. 

Next question which is the correct formula because you both gave different formulas?

Does this scale apply to a specific music genre? 

[Fenix]

I really appreciate all of the knowledge that you guys display. Hopefully this will all come together in my head so that I can use this in my playing. Right now though, its a bit confusing. I guess what I mean is this


E > F < E < C < G < E > F > G (then as triplet) <  F > G < F (end of triplet) < E < Dd < C

What does it mean to triplet? Hit these chords three times perhaps. I hope these aren't stupid questions, I just wanna make sure that I understand what I read. 

Next question which is the correct formula because you both gave different formulas?

Does this scale apply to a specific music genre? 

I think the scale is some sort of altered Locrian scale. The Locrian is built off of the 7th degree.

Look at the formula;

Again the formula: 1,b2,3,4,5,b6,b7,1

For example, B locrian, which is the 7th degree of C has the formula

B Locrian: B C D E F G A B
B Locrain Formula: 1, b2, b3, 4, b5, b6, b7

His formula: 1,b2,3,4,5,b6,b7,1

If it doesn't make sense, lemme know. I am trying to figure it out myself.

[tek_uk]

Ok, sorry for the confusion. It is not really easy to write down a run with just the note names... :-(

Ok, Triplet is when you play 3 note with the duration of 1 (well...i think). The easiest way to think of it is to break down the word Tri-Pe-Let and play the notes as you say it! (hope i don't confuse you even more! ) So you play the notes  only once but the 3 in a quick sequence, which creates a sort of trill.

As for the scale, i gave the scale played over a Bbm chord. So Bb is the root. In fact, I believe this scale is called Bb Dorian #4.
For any scale you can have different roots though. So Shadow started it in C instead of Bb.
The easiest example is the C major scale and the A minor scale. They both have the same notes but a different root (C for C Major and A for A minor)

In terms of where to use it, well you need to choose a scale that fits the chords you're playing (feel a nice thread coming up here...).
In my original example, i heard that run (played by Renato Neto in fact) over the Bb minor chord. The fact that he used the #4 gave it a slightly outside feel that caught my attention.

It made me realise also that sometimes it's note the scale itself that makes it interesting but where you start. In this case, on the #4. I tend to often start licks on the 1... but if you start on the 5 or the 2 it can make it much more interesting.

Hope this helps...

[musallio]

This is such a coincidence 'cos i just learned the scale (starting on a different degree) in all keys.

I learned the structure of it from a post by Musallio, but i varied my application of it.

the way i play the same scale u posted, i start on the C:

C,Db,E,F,G,Ab,Bb,C - - - - i can use it when playing in Eb,Ab,Bb,C and im sure many more that i have yet to discover.

What's even more interesting about this scale is that if you treat it as a normal major scale, you can come up with some beautiful progressions.

Again the formula: 1,b2,3,4,5,b6,b7,1

Hey Shadow, I'm really impressed that you are making use of the Spanish Gypsy scale. If anyone wants to know aabout it, you can search the post on it..Rspindy also dropped some detailed theory on it & enlighted us that it is a ditonic scale..blahblahblah.

Heard that cool line the other day i thought i'd share.

Don't know what the scale is called but almost sounds like you're playing outside.

Basically, over a Bb minor chord, it goes:
< : down
> :up
  
E > F < E < C < G < E > F > G (then as triplet) <  F > G < F (end of triplet) < E < Dd < C

Hope it makes sense  .
Basically the scale is:

Bb C  Dd  E  F G Ab
1   2  b3 #4 5 6 b7
and the #4 - 5 creates a sort of dissonance which i quite like...

Laurent

Tek-uk on the other hand has illustrated the use of a really nice scale the name of which I'm yet to find out. it is a great scale, really built off the blues scale, with the added  "2"..

[Muziqmann]

this scale/lick is cool, but isn't it just notes from the F harmonic minor scale? (F, G, Ab, Bb, C, Db, E, F)

[musallio]

this scale/lick is cool, but isn't it just notes from the F harmonic minor scale? (F, G, Ab, Bb, C, Db, E, F)

BINGO!!

I shall make more use of the minor harmonic scale then