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Offline 4hisglory

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Bleeding the Pedal.
« on: April 18, 2007, 11:23:32 AM »
The other day, I went to the music store and played an acoustic piano.  Well, I've learned that I don't really know how to. :)

The keyboard is SO much easier to play.  You don't have to worry about bleeding the substain pedal as much.
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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2007, 12:09:40 PM »
That's why you really have to practice the piano if you want to be a piano player.  Real pianos are living breathing instruments and each has it's own personality. 
Keyboards are rather dull and lifeless in comparison and don't require as much skill.
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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2007, 02:06:57 PM »
The other day, I went to the music store and played an acoustic piano.  Well, I've learned that I don't really know how to. :)

The keyboard is SO much easier to play.  You don't have to worry about bleeding the sustain pedal as much.
That's cause most of the sustain pedals on keyboards are half dampered...you don't have to lift your foot all the way up to unsustain it. A real piano you have to. I practice on a keyboard all the time but if I go somewhere with a good piano, I'll play/practice on that instead.
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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2007, 07:26:21 PM »
it's really crazy when you go from keyboard to piano and such.  our church has a yamaha baby grand or a kurzweil keyboard and i would pick the baby grand to play anyday. unfortunately the baby grand isn't hooked up with a mic.  anyway at home i have a non-weighted yamaha keyboard at home and i find it hard to go from the non-weighted to the weighted and back.  i like the non-weighted if i'm playing for more than 90 minutes straight.  my hammond e-133 organ is funny too because the two keyboards almost overlap then when i go on the c-3 at church it feels HUGE.  i guess it keep ya on your toes though.
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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2007, 07:26:41 AM »
The other day, I went to the music store and played an acoustic piano.  Well, I've learned that I don't really know how to. :)

The keyboard is SO much easier to play.  You don't have to worry about bleeding the substain pedal as much.


I agree with you in this since, but honestly I love playing an acoustic piano so much better.  In fact, I'm starting to dislike playing the keyboard altogether.  Maybe because I don't have the right sounds or something.  The acoustic piano sounds so much more beautiful and majestic, it's like the difference between a cot and a bed.  The cot is easier to sleep on and take around, but you prefer that bed anyday.

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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2007, 07:39:46 AM »
i agree with everybody.when i go to music stores forget the motifs. i go to the grand the feel is so much better

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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2007, 11:05:55 AM »

I agree with you in this since, but honestly I love playing an acoustic piano so much better.  In fact, I'm starting to dislike playing the keyboard altogether.  Maybe because I don't have the right sounds or something.  The acoustic piano sounds so much more beautiful and majestic, it's like the difference between a cot and a bed.  The cot is easier to sleep on and take around, but you prefer that bed anyday.



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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2007, 02:40:06 PM »
Since getting a keyboard at church, I haven't played the piano in almost 7 years....except this past Sunday when we had to sing at another church and all they had was a piano. I gotta admit, it felt good playing it :)
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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2007, 11:30:30 AM »
I have played piano allof my musical little life most of the churches in this little small town are now going to key board. I am scared to death to go into a church that does not have a piano in the choir . I need some pointers on playing a key board in oppose to the piano. Please help me. I have a program coming and this huge church does not have a piano. Help!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2007, 12:14:10 PM »
I have a Roland RD-700 at home.  Our church has a 6' Yamaha Grand (which I donated because it was defining where I could live because of the space required).  I love playing and practicing on my Roland since, as an apartment dweller, I can do it at anytime, but I still love playing a real acoustic grand at church, or anywhere.  Though the RD-700 has a weighted keyboard, and I usually set the internal setting to super heavy, it still does not have the weight that the Yamaha has.  I find it to be somewhat of a workout at times.  But it always feels good.

A part of the difference between the two is that the nature of an acoustic piano uses the entire room as a part of the instrument.  Sound radiates all around from both the top and bottom of the sound board and therefore is omni-directional.  The sound of a digital piano comes from particular sound sources that are usually directed toward the audience.

As far as pedaling, I find that I do have to be careful because on the Roland, I can keep my foot on the damper pedal for longer before it gets too out of control.  An acoustic instrument actually has a range of possible pedalings.

Possibilities with an acoustic damper include.
  1.) Just keeping your foot slightly on it enough to not sustain but to "lighten the action"  What this does is get the dampers on the start up so that your fingers do not need as much effort and is particular good on long passages of fast sixteenth notes.

  2.) "Half-Pedal" which will somewhat allow a bass line to continue to sustain while damping the treble.  There are actually several degrees of this type of pedal before the dampers are all of the way up.

  3.) a Flutter type pedalling which helps to thin out some of the blur without completely stopping all of the sustained tone.

One thing to try on an acoustic instrument is to find how far down you actually have to push to completely lift the dampers (it is seldom all of the way to the bottom) and how far down it takes to start lifting the dampers to cause some sustain effect.  Then experiment with different effects possible in those points in between.

You may need to adjust the damper mechanism if it is too sensative (the slightest touch causes some sustain) or if you have to go all the way down.  This is done on grands with a nut at the end of the damper rod and is not too difficult.



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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2007, 01:40:15 PM »
There is nothing like a grand piano.
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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2007, 11:34:23 AM »
Honestly...........There really is nothing like a grand piano.......Especially a BALDWIN EXTENDED GRAND....to me grand pianos actually are alot better then playin a keyboard with the grand piano setting...the only advantage you have with a keyboard on the grand piano setting is The VOLUME!!!!! Which makes it sound better. BUT TRUTHFULLY THERE IS NOTHING LIKE A GRAND PIANO.
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Re: Bleeding the Pedal.
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2007, 08:47:39 PM »
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