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Expanding the I,IV,V Theory
« on: October 29, 2005, 02:22:59 PM »
How can I elaborate on my vocabulary and elaborate from just using the I, IV, V Chords? Someone please help?

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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2005, 03:25:49 PM »
the I IV V is the base for the chords you will use in most standard music
every thing else is pretty much a variation of these chords.

Now to make it simple the variation is the same for all chords so you start off learning the variations for one chord then move to the next example
the C chord is played with the C in the Bass note C/CEG.
By changing the Bass note to the 6th of the C scale which is an A you now have an Am7 (minor seventh) chord the Right hand stays the same CEG.
Then you need to learn the other variations of the chord,
cmaj7(major seventh)
Cm7 (minor seventh)
C7
C dim (diminished)
C m
C aug (augmented)
C 6 (add 6th of the scale)
C 9
C 13
C b5
C sus (suspended)

and so on Many more
once you learn how to form theses chords based on the scale you can form them in any position on any chord then the next step is learning how to put them to proper use.
Here is a link to help you learn to form the chords
http://www.oddrealm.com/piano/sub-topics/vpc.php

and here's another that might be of help in learning more
http://www.free-online-piano-lessons.com/index.html

pray this help let me know if I can be of more assistance
be blessed
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2005, 06:00:37 PM »
Okie Dokie,

Lets talk about the 1,4&5 and I would write it out in Roman Numerals 8O  but for the sake of helping everyone at the same time I won't.:wink:


Lets take the " Key/Scale of C " because it is all the white keys and easier for the beginners to grasp.

In the Key of C we have this number scale....

C=1 D=2 E=3 F=4 G=5 A=6 B=7
and well also have this
1=Major 2=Minor 3=Minor 4=Major 5=Major 6=minor 7=dim

Now we must understand what Major, minor and diminished Triads are...For this example I will use the C itself....

Major Triad= 1,  3,  5  in the Key of C that would be CEG
minor Triad=1, b3,  5  in the Key of C that would be CEbG
dim    Triad=1, B3,b5  in the key of C that would be CEbGb

Now the key to using the 1,4&5 to your advantage is this right here.....

What is our 1,4&5 in the C scale? C=1 F=4 G=5
By looking at these note and scale broken down above we know this...

C=Major
F=Major
G=Major

Now what are the Triads for these three notes?

C= CEG,  GCE,  EGC
F= FAC,  CFA,  ACF
G= GBD, DGB,  BDG

Wow 8O  That looks like alot already huh? Yea it does but remember its just 1,4&5 :lol:

Now here is a super duper and I do mean duper eye open 8O

There is a Law called "Stacking Chords" and this law tells me that if I want to build and Major Chord all I have to do is find the Major 3rd of the Scale that I am in and stack a minor chord on top of it. Yup its that easy...

Example; if I want a CMajor7th all I have to do is find the Major 3rd which is an E in this case and play an Eminor Triad which is this...

Eminor = EGB

So we stack the EGB on top of the C and we have this

CEGB which is our CMajor7th and if we simply take away the B we are left with the original Triad of CEG

Now lets do the same for a Cminor7;
Example; if I want a Cminor7 all I have to do is find the Minor 3rd which is an Eb in this case and play an Eb Major Triad which is this...

EbMajor= EbGBb

So we stack the EGB on top of the C and we have this

CEbGBb which is our CMinor7 and if we simply take away the Bb we are left with the original Triad of CEbG.........

O.k. ,O.k. the 1,4&5

if I play the 1 being the CEG over the CEG and have a CMajor Triad but if I take that same CEG and stack it over the A in the Scale of C I have just created this

A/CEG and all I did was stack the C Triad over the A ...
So now I have 2 different chords I can  use for the C chord by itself or to play an Aminor chord....


Next we take our 4 which is F......... and play it as an F or apply the same concept and stack it on top of our D to obtain a Dminor Chord

Now we take our 5 which is G........ and play it as an E or apply the same concept and stack it on top of our E to obtain a Eminor Chord

That covers our C,D,E,F,G,A and we are left with the B which is a diminished and we shall obtain by this

" stacking a diminished triad over the minor 3rd "

this B can get super complicated and is a whole lesson in itself so for now I would just recommend playing a Dminor or a GMajor Triad over the B


I need to take a break and I will be back with  more.........

God Bless You,
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2005, 06:39:52 PM »
Quote from: JayZee


Now we take our 5 which is G........ and play it as an G or apply the same concept and stack it on top of our E to obtain a Eminor Chord


oops.........
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2005, 12:34:52 PM »
Thanks alot everyone. This is going to help me tremendously! Blessings to all of you!
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